just to fill the stat nieche for the few champions who want ad/crit without attack speed attached. after the removal of crit on ghostblade it kindof left a hole for this type of item.
personally, id like to see a bigger version of 
on summoners rift. it doesnt have to be super fancy. just to get more than 20% crit from i.e.
Elisheva2 votesI want to see spell vamp items be as fair/common as lifesteal items before they add any new crit.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deiformis Ira,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naixPEOQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-09-10T22:31:51.045+0000)
I want to see spell vamp items be as fair/common as lifesteal items before they add any new crit.
problem with spellvamp is, that its either op or useless.
thats why riot just tends to build in spellvamp into the champions kits directly when theyre supposed to have access to it.
e
% missing health heal
ult
passive
being a couple examples.
Elisheva1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naixPEOQ,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-09-10T22:34:59.543+0000)
problem with spellvamp is, that its either op or useless.
thats why riot just tends to build in spellvamp into the champions kits directly when theyre supposed to have access to it.
being a couple examples.
The issue is, rito either overbuffs, or overnerfs everything they touch. If they add a new spellvamp item, it'll have way too much spellvamp, get nerfed, and immediately have way too little. They have no middle ground.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deiformis Ira,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naixPEOQ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-09-10T22:45:43.748+0000)
The issue is, rito either overbuffs, or overnerfs everything they touch. If they add a new spellvamp item, it'll have way too much spellvamp, get nerfed, and immediately have way too little. They have no middle ground.
there is no sweet spot for spellvamp. theyve tried that in the past. a lot actually.
the problem with it is that when it becomes good on mages with aoe and burst, it automatically becomes even remotely useful on mages with single target damage and already built in sustain.
like vlad was stupid with spellvamp items. there is just a group of mages that makes it impossible for riot to add any decent version of ap spellvamp to the game.
Elisheva2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naixPEOQ,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-10T23:06:28.009+0000)
there is no sweet spot for spellvamp. theyve tried that in the past. a lot actually.
the problem with it is that when it becomes good on mages with aoe and burst, it automatically becomes even remotely useful on mages with single target damage and already built in sustain.
like vlad was stupid with spellvamp items. there is just a group of mages that makes it impossible for riot to add any decent version of ap spellvamp to the game.
The same can arguably be said about lifesteal though.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesUm.... Essence reaver? I mean I know Garen can't use the mana regen part, but the rest of that item's stars aren't wasted
Critmaster Garen1 votesUm.... Essence reaver? I mean I know Garen can't use the mana regen part, but the rest of that item's stars aren't wasted
even with i.e. you only get 20% cdr out of essence reaver.
youd still need another 10% crit from another source to make it fully worth.
Zero Skill Tank1 votesEssence reaver doesn't need all it's CDR to be cost efficient
Itankyou1 votesAnd a rune rework so I can actually add some random number generator into my builds
ViiLLAiN1 voteswhat they need to do is give lifesteal and crit into one item
ModWulf Helhammer2 votes....do you realize how overpowered that item would be? That would be the item to always buy in everyone, as the only thing it doesn't give an ADC is attack speed, which can be gained from boots
ViiLLAiN1 votes....do you realize how overpowered that item would be? That would be the item to always buy in everyone, as the only thing it doesn't give an ADC is attack speed, which can be gained from boots
i dont work for riot i dont balance things they can design it in a way that will make it balanced like lets say heals u for every time u crit or something
GULAG 4 U1 votesIt's called mirageblade
Critmaster Garen1 voteswhat they need to do is give lifesteal and crit into one item
if you want ad and lifesteal, there is bloodthirster. that combination isnt really needed imo.
ViiLLAiN1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naixPEOQ,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2016-09-10T19:47:42.371+0000)
if you want ad and lifesteal, there is bloodthirster. that combination isnt really needed imo.
blood thirster is very expensive and more times then not i find myself sitting on vamp while finishing crit items
Raidarc1 votesSure, if tanks can get mor hp/armor item options.
Critmaster Garen1 votesSure, if tanks can get mor hp/armor item options.
is that needed though?
there are 
and 
+ 
or 
you can already get a full build of armor/hp items. warmogs + frozen heart with two focused defensive items is basically the same as having two more mixed armor/hp items stat wise.
i usually dont find myself in a bad position when i feel the need to just stack full inventory worth of health/armor.
how effective armor is in general right now is a different issue thats not solved with more items. we only have 6 slots anyways.
but dedicated ad/crit items are only two very expensive items in the game right now. even if you build both, the synergy is still not enough to make full use of essence reavers cdr passive.
Raidarc1 votesHave you forgotten that we have mages in the game as well? Unless you're enemy AP is shut down really good building 2 Armor items, early, is suicidal.
But besides that, with how relevant armor pen is right now, Sunfire and Deadman's is next to useless against most comps. Those items are like inneffective in reducing the damage you take if they have armor pen. At least Randuin's decreases attack speed. Sunfire's aoe damage is negligible mid-late, Deadman's movepseed bonus is worthless in combat.
Even thornmail is worthless once ADC's get lifesteal.
AP and AD carries get these options to build items worth 3500 gold, give me a couple defensive items worth that and I'd be happy.
RogueWill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naixPEOQ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-09-10T19:54:11.055+0000)
is that needed though?
there are
you can already get a full build of armor/hp items. warmogs + frozen heart with two focused defensive items is basically the same as having two more mixed armor/hp items stat wise.
i usually dont find myself in a bad position when i feel the need to just stack full inventory worth of health/armor.
how effective armor is in general right now is a different issue thats not solved with more items. we only have 6 slots anyways.
but dedicated ad/crit items are only two very expensive items in the game right now. even if you build both, the synergy is still not enough to make full use of essence reavers cdr passive.
Can you say the same about HP/MR??? Either you can use the passive or the items are worthless for you
GULAG 4 U1 votesThey already have a shitload of options, stop this fucking circlejerk
colesy1 voteswhat champions want ad+crit without atkspd exactly
Sherogarth1 votes
and 
maybe
GULAG 4 U1 votesCrit'zix, critgar, critren and other champs.
colesy3 votestldr builds nobody uses
GULAG 4 U1 votes^
Critmaster Garen1 votestldr builds nobody uses
how do you know? i mean they arent available right now, so nobody can. but a couple of champions would.