i think this picture speaks a 1000 words

Critmaster Garen·Jul 12, 2018·4 votes·1,107 views

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-muqMNOxSChw/W0O9Ft8-dQI/AAAAAAABC6Q/kr_gC-09zNkbg9x6W-a-RofBnlDUPTYLgCLcBGAs/s640/img%255D.png (the graph displays time available to adjust runes in draft pick)

riot is balancing the game pacing and game time not around how fun they can make it, but how short they can make it and how much stress players can take. the average game times this patch are still around 25 to 26 minutes, and it doesnt look like they are intent to slow down and pressure you less into constantly fighting your enemies over some small objective.

theyre saying they dont really know how to fix gold funneling in the jungle without making the jungle overall "less interactive". which means they dont want to make junglers farm more, so they can keep having tons of time on their hands and can nonstop spam gank lanes to make the game enjoyable for viewers.

19 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerJul 12, 20186 votes

You realize this is talking about draft* champion select***?

This isn't game time.

Your post is horribly misleading and dishonest.

Link to the original thread which you left out: https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/EARYibQ0-draft-pick-champ-select-timing-improvements-on-pbe

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20183 votes

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You realize this is talking about draft* champion select***?

This isn't game time.

Your post is horribly misleading and dishonest.

Link to the original thread which you left out: https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/EARYibQ0-draft-pick-champ-select-timing-improvements-on-pbe

its about the attitude that is displayed here. it doesnt just concern champ select. but i will edit the op, since it wasnt my intention to mislead anyone. i just didnt notice that the graph wasnt labled any further.

i realized, that the game as a whole has become a lot more stressful in the past few seasons than it used to be.

riot has increased the density and value of objectives more and more while cutting overall game times as far as possible. there is constantly something on the map that forces you to contest and fight your opponent.

you have to race to turret first blood
you have to contest dragons and rift herald
in between you have to contest scuttle crabs or help your jungler secure them
baron is a whimp, so at 20 minutes expect baron attempts
farm junglers arent a thing anymore, since junglers have enough free time to constanly gank lanes
even cannon minions in lane have become an important objective to fight over or deny

games have overall become faster paced and leave you shorter windows to slow down and think about your next steps.

they have done their hardest to not give you any room for a moment of passive gameplay anymore.

its like theyre displaying the same attitude they have here towards champ select, towards game pacing overall. they want to make these games as short as possible, and at the same time make you fight your opponent as much as posssible with just stressing players to the point that they can still take it. the idea that the game isnt actually fun to play like that doesnt seem to be their first concern anymore.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 12, 20184 votes

Your post is still misleading, because you're entirely misinterpreting what the graph labels are supposed to pertain to.

Champion select is not even remotely any kind of microcosm of an actual game. The reason people can be stressed in champion select is because they have a timer. There's a deadline that they have to beat, an actual hard enforced one, not one that they create in their heads because they think the game will instantly be decided if the enemy team reaches it before they do.

TheCodeisCupCakeJul 12, 20182 votes

Im too stupid to understand this

CaptainAntiHerozJul 12, 20181 votes

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Im too stupid to understand this

Saying that in simple terms Short game=more people can play more game BUT people be stressed and bored not have fun

TheCodeisCupCakeJul 13, 20182 votes

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Saying that in simple terms Short game=more people can play more game BUT people be stressed and bored not have fun

Beats chest*

ME UNDERSTAND NOW

CaptainAntiHerozJul 13, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Beats chest*

ME UNDERSTAND NOW

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

HyquiemJul 12, 20182 votes

It’s a moba it’s suppose to be long riot. And late game is ment to exist for all.

chipndip1Jul 12, 20182 votes

You're making it seem like this graph isn't about champ select.

Why bother trying to be transparent about your intentions to players when the players take what you say and lie?

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20181 votes

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You're making it seem like this graph isn't about champ select.

Why bother trying to be transparent about your intentions to players when the players take what you say and lie?

that wasnt intentional and i already fixed it by labeling the graph.

chipndip1Jul 12, 20182 votes

You should fix it by removing the thread. You drew massive conclusions based on a completely faulty premise just to garner discontent on the boards.

RalanrJul 12, 20181 votes

Logically and mathematically that makes a lot of sense because fun is subjective and probably isn’t easy to measure in numbers.

Though it’s still kinda depressing.

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20182 votes

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Logically and mathematically that makes a lot of sense because fun is subjective and probably isn’t easy to measure in numbers.

Though it’s still kinda depressing.

but fun isnt even in question when theyre thinking about this.

theyre just testing how far they can stress players out by making their champ slect time, and overall game times as short as possible and then aim for just below that line of maximum tolerance.

RalanrJul 12, 20181 votes

But with fun being so objective, it’s not Something you can mathematically measure.

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20181 votes

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But with fun being so objective, it’s not Something you can mathematically measure.

technically you cant measure stress either, when different people have different stress thresholds.

Crimson ZeppelinJul 12, 20181 votes

My god. So their metrics for engagement is "bored" and "stressed"? I wonder if that is truly engagement. It seems like endurance.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 12, 20181 votes

If we actively don't let games end will riot notice the unspoken protest?

I feel like if enough people who actually care for the state of the game just DIDN'T END the game until like 40-60 minutes in maybe more Riot would be forced to see that the community WANTS challenging and competitive gameplay rather than GG lost in champ select

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 12, 20181 votes

I dont think so. If anything they would think they need to shorten games even more. In my mind the only way to get Riots attention would be a mass exodus. But that will never happen. We are all sick and addicted...