wew new bond of stone

Big Lincoln·Feb 24, 2017·20 votes·5,910 views

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new bond of stone tank meta????

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CatastropFeb 24, 201712 votes

Shen Vorpal Blade is that you?

Jokes aside, I might actually play a bit to test this out.

The Yetii RiderFeb 25, 20173 votes

This is the reason behind the Shen rework. They wanted every melee support to be Shen.

Big LincolnFeb 24, 201710 votes

meddler if ur reading this

how does the ranged restriction work?

ie if im a ranged support and i cc someone, will all allies heal for half? or is it only if the person getting heals who benefits 50% if they are range?

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20176 votes

he said it works on every cc

even slows given by items

thresh is again fucked by being ranged

Big LincolnFeb 24, 20171 votes

no what I mean is

if I CC someone as Bard , will melee allies heal for less

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20172 votes

exactly

and thresh is already fucked up by lord dominik regard, working on all his armor then knight's vow is halved on him and now bond of stone

RexSaurFeb 24, 20174 votes

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exactly

and thresh is already fucked up by lord dominik regard, working on all his armor then knight's vow is halved on him and now bond of stone

What a terrible thing that the lee sin of the supports have some weaknesses!

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20171 votes

he has strengths that aren't working

he can't tank for shit

he should scale in late game

yet he doesn't because of 0 armor/level and passive not working against LDR

Big LincolnFeb 24, 20172 votes

passive should b base armor

mage supports should be gutted and continue to be nerfed when they become remotely pickable

if they get picked supp more than bot then slash them

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naRuAVkJ,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-24T22:35:06.607+0000)

passive should b base armor

that's what i want if not a major work to thresh to make him melee+gives him decent base stats

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naRuAVkJ,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-24T22:35:06.607+0000) mage supports should be gutted and continue to be nerfed when they become remotely pickable

if they get picked supp more than bot then slash them

How about we bring season 2 support system back? yeah i miss that shit, supports having stronger numerically kit with poor scaling not relying on items, making shit like malz unable to go bot Keep sightstone, remove gold items, buff support numbers

L Psy KongrooFeb 24, 201712 votes

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he said it works on every cc

even slows given by items

thresh is again fucked by being ranged

Good, Thresh doesn't need any buffs.

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20173 votes

Yeah boys

supports are janna+zyra+karma+malz+miss fortune right now

but thresh doesn't need any buffs

ShaolinToiletFeb 24, 20179 votes

Thresh only has the highest playrate. Please do some research. In diamond plus the most played supports are thresh Janna karma and lulu

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20172 votes

He's almost never played in master

watch some streams you will see who is played support

it's zyra/malz/mf like almost 50% of the time Then you have karma and janna then you have thresh way behind

there are no reasons to pick him, botlane is all about unleashing damage right now, he has no uses that can make you pick him over mages supports/enchenters

His disruptions are matched by the disruptions of mages, his damage is lower than mages

and his tankiness is garbage and should be buffed with braum and other tank supports

PermabannedGarenFeb 25, 20172 votes

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He's almost never played in master

watch some streams you will see who is played support

it's zyra/malz/mf like almost 50% of the time Then you have karma and janna then you have thresh way behind

there are no reasons to pick him, botlane is all about unleashing damage right now, he has no uses that can make you pick him over mages supports/enchenters

His disruptions are matched by the disruptions of mages, his damage is lower than mages

and his tankiness is garbage and should be buffed with braum and other tank supports

https://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/

Go to master tier. He's played more often than Zyra and Malzahar. I'd also bet money that the vast majority of MF's games giving her the lead over Thresh are ADC MF games.

So like, it is extremely easy to look this shit up, so there is no real excuse for you to get this shit wrong. Do you really believe your biased personal experience has any validity?

AhristocatsFeb 25, 20171 votes

{quoted}

https://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/

Go to master tier. He's played more often than Zyra and Malzahar. I'd also bet money that the vast majority of MF's games giving her the lead over Thresh are ADC MF games.

Idk if you're trolling or not but op.gg doesn't show pick rate in master

{quoted} So like, it is extremely easy to look this shit up, so there is no real excuse for you to get this shit wrong. Do you really believe your biased personal experience has any validity?

if you think thresh is as relevant as mages and miss fortune then i can't do shit for you

PermabannedGarenFeb 25, 20173 votes

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Idk if you're trolling or not but op.gg doesn't show pick rate in master

if you think thresh is as relevant as mages and miss fortune then i can't do shit for you

Go to master tier, graph type win ratio, time last month for a larger sample size. Click on "games played" to show you the champion's from most picked to least (Jhin, naturally, is number one). Notice how Thresh is more picked than Zyra, Malzahar, and almost certainly support MF unless you believe that only like three hundred of MF's games are as ADC MF. Karma is only barely played more than Thresh.

You're wrong, and I have proven it. There is no argument you can concoct to counter objective facts.

ParcevalFeb 25, 20171 votes

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Idk if you're trolling or not but op.gg doesn't show pick rate in master

? Are you trolling? It clearly does. Organize by "games played".

Thresh might not be "as relevant" as zyra/karma/janna/lulu/mf right now, but it sure as heck is viable. And strong. If he were buffed by a keystone he would easily move into S-tier.

Twitch ChatFeb 25, 20178 votes

cucked Shen gets to watch as vorpal blade heals everyone on his team except him

OleandervineFeb 24, 20176 votes

It looks fan-fucking-tastic. I can't wait to use it.

On second thought though, this skill will effectively make it so that 2/3 of the keystones in this tree are ONLY viable on tanks. There is no support here for any other champion role.

Variks the LoyalFeb 24, 20173 votes

Isn't that a good thing, though?

This is, after all, a tree dedicated to tanks. This seems like the thing a tank support like Braum or Taric could easily want to invest in.

Big LincolnFeb 24, 20171 votes

this skill will effectively make it so that 2/3 of the keystones in this tree are ONLY viable on tanks

i think it's more annoying that this is clearly far more beneficial on lane/jungle tanks who are usually equipped with more spammable and higher-AOE CC except for maybe tahm and leona

also juggernauts all being pushed out of revolve keystones lul.

doodlebob666Feb 24, 20171 votes

couldn't every juggernaut but morde proc this, they all have at least a slow, but then again they don't really care about healing their team

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 24, 20171 votes

Garen can't proc it.

doodlebob666Feb 24, 20174 votes

don't silence's count?

SwiftKitten88Feb 24, 20176 votes

umm can we STOP having all tanky keystones tied to CC??

NOT EVERYONE HAS CC!!!!

Critmaster GarenFeb 24, 201720 votes

{quoted}

umm can we STOP having all tanky keystones tied to CC??

NOT EVERYONE HAS CC!!!!

even if you dont have cc, you can itemize into slows. plus, which tank doesnt have any form of cc? the entire idea behind the tank class is, that they are beefy cc bots.

SwiftKitten88Feb 24, 20173 votes

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even if you dont have cc, you can itemize into slows. plus, which tank doesnt have any form of cc? the entire idea behind the tank class is, that they are beefy cc bots.

um.. the point masteries is so you can modify your champ in the way you want... tanks aren't the ONLY ones who are allowed to use resolve...

Critmaster GarenFeb 24, 20179 votes

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um.. the point masteries is so you can modify your champ in the way you want... tanks aren't the ONLY ones who are allowed to use resolve...

however the mastery tree is aimed at tanks and juggernauts. who were you even thinking about?

either way, you will always benefit from that 5% health bonus. and no matter who youre playing you can itemize into cc to trigger the second portion of the ability.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 24, 20172 votes

Nidalee. That's who SwiftKitten was thinking of.

Critmaster GarenFeb 24, 20179 votes

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Nidalee.

what the shit. doesnt she already have enough masteries to chose one?

like any of the cunning masteries works on her, including windspeakers. and even dft in ferocity is an option. if nidalee wants to pick this mastery, then get a gauntlet or a rylais or some shit.

its not even like CoC where the mastery does absolutely nothing unless you have a very specific form of cc. you still get the health before you build a slow item.

Papa AndreiFeb 25, 20171 votes

TBH i was thinking Morde ¯_(ツ)_/¯

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 25, 20171 votes

If Morde bought item 3116 he could trigger the slow and get the added benefits.

SkiasFeb 25, 20171 votes

{quoted}

If Morde bought he could trigger the slow and get the added benefits.

He can't heal himself with it.

RatbertFeb 25, 20174 votes

Slows are crowd control

MXXXXXLFeb 25, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naRuAVkJ,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-02-24T21:06:50.500+0000)

which tank doesnt have any form of cc?

Um... um... um... shit.

Garen ?

Jeddy017Feb 25, 20177 votes

Silence is CC.

MXXXXXLFeb 28, 20171 votes

I thought we were specifically talking about hard CC.

Golden Tager XFeb 25, 20174 votes

Shen I seem to remember something along these lines..............

Rock MDFeb 24, 20173 votes

I really hope that has a CD.

EndlessSorcererFeb 24, 20173 votes

The new Bond of Stone is essentially pre-rework Shen's Q.

RexSaurFeb 24, 20172 votes

Dont worry it will only be broken for 6 months until they nerf it multiple times in a row.

Riot has a boner for tanks, nothing we can do, they are always going to be broken one way or the other and the moment they arent god tier anymore (patch 7.4) they get instantly overbuffed into the heavens.

RalanrFeb 24, 201711 votes

Not like this isn't also a buff for ADCs.

five oh tree Feb 24, 20171 votes

ADCs already have their own sustain and probably won't give a shit about health regen, because they either get popped before they can sustain themselves to full, or they sustain so much and slaughter everyone that they're gods.

This is really a buff to juggernauts/tanks/tankier divers who are going to get the full regen constantly, and a lot of them don't have innate sustain or optimal buildpaths that lead into sustain.

RalanrFeb 24, 20176 votes

This doesn't work on the person who proced it though.

Big LincolnFeb 24, 20173 votes

it's still a good change for juggernauts with the right support

but now that I think of it, traditional support tanks barely get to use it. Braum Taric have super high cooldowns; only TahmKench will be able to take advantage of it consistently. maybe Leona

by contrast this might be insanely good on Sejuani who can cycle through her CDs quickly and spam slows, same with Nautilus Poppy

EndlessSorcererFeb 24, 20173 votes

The heal won't apply for the champion who places the mark.

Only their allies receive the healing.

BakedLotionFeb 25, 20172 votes

This isn't even that strong. It's decent, but not really "good" to be honest. Colossus is way better

SkiasFeb 25, 20173 votes

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This isn't even that strong. It's decent, but not really "good" to be honest. Colossus is way better

It's 150hp at 3k health. It's really not great. Old bond of stone was actually probably stronger even though you can't tell it's working. It's Shen's old crappy sword toss.

PermabannedGarenFeb 25, 20172 votes

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