Can we please revert the nerfs to Shen's sustain?

Cloud273·Sep 22, 2015·2 votes·345 views

WAY too much of Shen's power budget goes into his global ult. His sustain is not toxic whatsoever. Unlike other champs with infinite sustain (Renekton), Shen actually NEEDS that sustain because he can't trade like other top laners can. Darius and Garen have sustain, and they also have true damage. Renekton hits like a truck with his amazing early/mid game and is almost impossible to force out of lane. These are just a few top laners with amazing sustain, and they all have stronger kits than Shen. All he has is a global ult (with an extremely long cast time) that's up about every 2 minutes. The rest of his abilities have sht damage and scaling. In conclusion, he is a tank with sht damage and super long cooldowns. The least you can do is let him keep his sustain.

6 Comments

Hasztalan2Sep 22, 20151 votes

Wai what? His Q is a really decent sustain hence why he is viable even as a support. Also you need to keep in mind that he has universal way to reduce damage taken in multiple ways.

Maximum MordeSep 22, 20151 votes

No. He shouldn't be an immovable wall that can teleport across the map to help his team at full health with a huge shield/taunts. Bullying him so he's half/low health when he gets there is his counter play. Don't pick Shen into someone who can bully him.

Cloud273Sep 22, 20151 votes

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No. He shouldn't be an immovable wall that can teleport across the map to help his team at full health with a huge shield/taunts. Bullying him so he's half/low health when he gets there is his counter play. Don't pick Shen into someone who can bully him.

I don't understand why he shouldn't be allowed to do this. All champions are supposed to have strengths. This is what Shen is supposed to be good at.

Maximum MordeSep 22, 20151 votes

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I don't understand why he shouldn't be allowed to do this. All champions are supposed to have strengths. This is what Shen is supposed to be good at.

And he already does it good enough. He doesn't need anything more than what he has. Very few champions can actually bully him hard enough to make it a risk for him to ult out. He has no mana to manage, so you can't gate him by pressure either. The only thing you can do is hurt him so he is vulnerable when he ports, or interrupt it with a cc.

Cloud273Sep 22, 20151 votes

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And he already does it good enough. He doesn't need anything more than what he has. Very few champions can actually bully him hard enough to make it a risk for him to ult out. He has no mana to manage, so you can't gate him by pressure either. The only thing you can do is hurt him so he is vulnerable when he ports, or interrupt it with a cc.

So what you're saying is that he already has counterplay? All you have to do is poke him/cc him while he's channeling his ult and he ends up completely wasting his ult or jumping into a teamfight at low health. How is countering Shen's ult any different than countering someone with teleport? It isn't really. I feel like this is more than enough counterplay for Shen and he didn't need any more nerfs.

Maximum MordeSep 22, 20151 votes

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So what you're saying is that he already has counterplay? All you have to do is poke him/cc him while he's channeling his ult and he ends up completely wasting his ult or jumping into a teamfight at low health. How is countering Shen's ult any different than countering someone with teleport? It isn't really. I feel like this is more than enough counterplay for Shen and he didn't need any more nerfs.

I never said he needed more nerfs. I said he didn't need any buffs to his current state.