the randuins buff is in the wrong place

Critmaster Garen·Apr 8, 2015·16 votes·1,626 views

really, tanks and most bruisers who buy the item dont profit from the as boost. was this an attempt to buff and ? because theyre going to be the champs that will profit the most from it. why not buff them directly instead?

the change is useless except for a handful of specific, already top tier bruisers, or ad carries who are going to get randuins as their 6th item. do you really want with this as her 1 defensive item? she gets caught out, hits the active and can literally sit in place and drain tank with 15%, 30% ... more attack speed.

whats the point of this? just increase the as debuff for the duration of the active instead. or add some more armor. or health. really anything else.

imo the best way to buff it would really be to have it increase some of its stats on hitting the active. a burst of tankyness would be more useful than this.

20 Comments

KaisadiIIaApr 9, 20156 votes

Champions that I think they can benefit from attack speed: Aatrox Braum Darius Elise Fiora Irelia JarvanIV Jax Jayce LeeSin MasterYi Nocturne Olaf RekSai Rengar Shen Shyvana Trundle Udyr Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo

Some of them most than others, but all of them can make a good use from a 15-75% attack speed boost.

This change is not meant for Sejuani or Maokai. They are already strong tanks that need no buffs. This change is meant to help champions like Aatrox or Xin Zhao (or most fighter class) that have problems later in the game, specially at teamfights.

LankPantsApr 9, 20152 votes

This change is not meant for Sejuani or Maokai.

It's not as bad fir Sej an Mao as you might think. Bonus AS speeds up their auto animation, which for Sej means less flail resetting (which happens all the freaking time) and for Mao it means his heal comes in a bit quicker, which can be incredibly useful in a close duel.

I think Naut will also benifit greatly, extra attack speed is good on him because his root is tied to his AA.

doublelift fgApr 8, 20154 votes

DrMundo 100 AD steroid if he hits 5 with randuin gg Irelia Jax Aatrox Rengar XinZhao Tryndamere Volibear Olaf

Nocturne item 3143 + item 3153 + item 3031

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 20151 votes

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100 AD steroid if he hits 5 with randuin gg

+ +

Twitch Vayne MasterYi Fiora Jinx Draven Graves would also profit from it to varying degrees.

im not even questioning, if buffing those guys would be a good or bad choice (though in some cases really terrible).

but why randuins? why are they going so many different directions with the item now? it was supposed to be a specialized defensive item. and now its turning into an offensive item aswell?

it seems like nearly all of the champions that would profit from this change dont need it. at all. olaf? shure. xin, yi, fiora, aatrox? why not? but all the other ones are already sitting on top of their class.

doublelift fgApr 8, 20151 votes

what the hell? how an ADC will hit 5 people with randuin? yea you will tell me "they can just use it defensivly" and then enemy volibear hit 5 people slow massively the ms and have 1.8 AS+his ulti (with his W buff)

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 20151 votes

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what the hell? how an ADC will hit 5 people with randuin? yea you will tell me "they can just use it defensivly" and then enemy volibear hit 5 people slow massively the ms and have 1.8 AS+his ulti (with his W buff)

no one said, they need to hit 5 people. but it will increase their offensive power and kiting, in case 1 or 2 enemies get close. a 30% as buff is already a lot for these guys.

or take twitch for example. hes probably one of the strongest ad carries to duel other ad carries with. this thing is a godsent for him. he can sneak up to get close enough to another squishy and fire away.

doublelift fgApr 8, 20151 votes

so, he shouldn't? if he took it as a first item, he won't

if he took as a defensive item, then you shouldn't be alone late game as a squishy. and it's not simple as that, is this squishy and AP? like syndra? she can totally 100-0 him.

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 20151 votes

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so, he shouldn't? if he took it as a first item, he won't

if he took as a defensive item, then you shouldn't be alone late game as a squishy. and it's not simple as that, is this squishy and AP? like syndra? she can totally 100-0 him.

im saying why the hell are they buffing randuins for champions who are already strong? or the strongest of their class?

how does this help bruisers who are struggling to keep up with jax or irelia, or tanks who arent top tier right now?

my point is, every scenario i can think of, this profits champs that dont need it. except for olaf maybe. but olaf with this randuins, or voli with this randuins is still weaker than irelia with this randuins.

what is this supposed to accomplish?

Phoenix Kotori Apr 9, 20151 votes

Differentiating it from item 3068 , item 3110 , & item 3800 Omen overlap heavily currently. This change makes it clearly a brusier/fighter item vs tank/tank/initiation of the others.

DropFillApr 8, 20152 votes

People seems to not understand that people like Irelia and Jax will abuse easily from this item.

Irelia is already a pain in the ass to beat both in lane and teamfights.

FalconPawwwwnchApr 8, 20152 votes

LOL @ Jax being top tier

Yea, maybe if you ban 70% of the roster he's top tier, considering he has a 46% win rate

lojicianApr 9, 20151 votes

Bad players overrate duelist fighters because they facetank them.

Critmaster GarenApr 10, 20151 votes

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LOL @ Jax being top tier

Yea, maybe if you ban 70% of the roster he's top tier, considering he has a 46% win rate

reading comprehension.

i said jax and irelia are still pretty much the best bruisers. this change would profit them more than bruisers who are already struggling to keep up with them in comparison. darius is not going to be as good of a bruiser as those two with this change. neither is olaf.

meaning, if this change benefits bruisers, its going to be jax and irelia spam in pro games and solo que all over again.

Black Coffee 666Apr 8, 20151 votes

it should give movespeed instead. tanks dont really wanna auto attack anyways. it would be a more reliable escape tool for champs like getting gooned. it would also be very cool for tanks diving the carries because it would work similar to talsiman of ascension giving them the movespeed boost to get on top of jinx to begin with, which can be frustrating if shes really good at kiting or has red buff

ChessburgerApr 8, 20151 votes

As stated before they're turning it into a specific bruiser item. You know Jax, irelia, renekton, xin, etc.

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 20151 votes

i think that would step on the toes of this. item 3800

it already deos kindof the same thing with a movement speed buff, and an aoe slow. i know its not entirely the same. but randuins is supposed to be the big tank item.

so why are they turning it into a duelling item for ad carries? think about it. most ad carries get 1 defensive item anyways. the passive as slow and the as buff would be massive in duels between adc.

other nieches i could see would be for some of the melee carries. fiora, or yi would take the item probably. it would be a good follow up for blade waltz, or after an alpha strike into the middle of the enemy team.

ChessburgerApr 8, 20152 votes

They're making it an incredibly effective bruiser item, some marksmen might use it as a 4th+ item if against melee AD assassins.

But the main point is that it's a bruiser item. Imagine a xin with warrior enchant + randuin -> that mid-game is gonna be off the hook. Or any other bruiser really and then slap the new black cleaver on them... nobody is going to escape that, everybody shall be annihilated.

WhimsicalliopeApr 9, 20151 votes

I can't imagine ADC's getting randuins even with the attack speed bonus unless fighting an all AD team. I do agree adding attack speed to randuins is a very strange choice. Tanks don't really need attack speed most of the time.

Maybe they could put it on sun fire, help is stand out against cinder hulk? Eh, they should look into other possibilities.

SaiannaApr 9, 20151 votes

Buff randuin -> notice that some bruisers are OP -> nerf them -> nerf randuins -> bruisers are useless -> Who cares, CertainlyT not Riot

HailFire DragonApr 9, 20151 votes

aatrox will be amazing with this. jump into a 3-4 teamfight, ult and randuin active and laugh as the att. speed skyrocket and your victims cant escape cause of slow and increase range