Meanwhile: Kayle reaches Kassadin status

SaltyToplaneGoat··11 votes·1,155 views

You either pick/ban her - or pray to god the enemy does not pick her. Whever she's free I have to pick her, even if I hate her gameplay pattern, but I have to win the ranked, so what else can I do? You can fuck up your entire earlygame. It doesn't matter. You have STILL a gamechanging ultimate and once you have your items you still going to wreck everything. People argue that her earlygame is crap, but that doesn't matter. No matter how hard the counterjungle and the counterganks are, an average player will get Sated Full before the game is over. And then the team with kayle in it wins by default.

Get Sated Devourer, boots and one item (Nashors or Wit's) rolling and you are set.

The problem is that nearly ALL of Kayle's damage is ON-Hit - Even her passive. You want to build mr? Lol nope, Passive and wit's end (which also does on hit damage). Now, add in an item that increases you on-hit/time by 50%.

I can deal with Sated Devourer champs being somewhat strong - but something even more powerful WITH RANGE?. Kayle is just too godly now. The mix of how strong she is combined with the absolute lack of counterplay to her spells/damage PLUS that she might be the mechanically easiest champion in all league - that all is just a too bad combo.

I can deal with a Katarina murdering my team 1vs5. Really. Because, despite all "muh only faceroll on keyboard", that actually takes a decent amount of skill to pull of right. Kayle on the other hand...

I'm in for nerfing her to the ground until they either change devourer, the way her on-hit damage works - or until they get her rework out. Becuase, let's be honest, she really needs one. A full Sion scope in my opionion...

29 Comments

GroundedEagle455 votes

I would like to point out that there was no problem until the sated devourer. So instead of destroying kayle who during the laning phase already has her strengths and weaknesses, instead work on the devourer.

Genuwhine1 votes

http://gyazo.com/c183d519e6efb52b6dc0f8f235be90b6 pre patch mid lane. Shes bad in the jungle if you play her mid thats where she is broken, or top lane.

NemeBro3 votes

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I would like to point out that there was no problem until the sated devourer. So instead of destroying kayle who during the laning phase already has her strengths and weaknesses, instead work on the devourer.

She got buffed the same time Devourer dropped, and her itemization also got seriously buffed as well.

No, nerf Kayle. Devourer is fine on most champs. If only one champ is a big problem with it you shouldn't nerf the item for everyone else. Jax and Aatrox are finally viable in the jungle again.

Ser Garland5 votes

You retards never even looked at Kayle sideways until your precious LCS picked her up in the jungle. She's been in a bad spot all season. nerf devourer, not Kayle.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Why not nerf both?

Sigh, people care way too much about LCS. In comparion to the entire ranked gaming going on this is just a drop in an ocean. (btw I don't watch that, so... )

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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You retards never even looked at Kayle sideways until your precious LCS picked her up in the jungle. She's been in a bad spot all season. nerf devourer, not Kayle.

Don't exaggerate. She was never in a bad spot in the jungle. Low pick rate=/=bad spot. You people always consider champions to be trash unless they reach pick or ban status.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

She was fine as a jungler since season 2. mana hunbgry, sure, but she has all a jungler needs: AoE, Damage, reliable gaking cc, movement speed and sustain. And even if she falls behind she still can turn teamfights with her ult alone in some cases.

But right now sated just synergizes way too good with her.

GundayMonday1 votes

Yeah, the same thing happened with Sejuani. She was fine until cinderhulk, but Riot nerfed the champion instead of the item. Same thing will happen with Kayle.

dangopee4 votes

Toxic outdated kit and all point and click no skill. The bitch needs a rework.

Genuwhine5 votes

so remove all the point and click champions so that everyone has to play skill shot champions? you wouldnt last a day all you play is MasterYi Irelia Vi . 3 pretty easy champions that are point and click LOL. There are point and click champions for a reason just because you are too dumb to not know how to play against it doesnt mean its broken. If i went back in the day and used a hand gun when everyone had swords a hand gun would seem "over powered" until you bring the machine gun so on and so fourth.

dangopee3 votes

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so remove all the point and click champions so that everyone has to play skill shot champions? you wouldnt last a day all you play is MasterYi Irelia Vi . 3 pretty easy champions that are point and click LOL. There are point and click champions for a reason just because you are too dumb to not know how to play against it doesnt mean its broken. If i went back in the day and used a hand gun when everyone had swords a hand gun would seem "over powered" until you bring the machine gun so on and so fourth.

Cancer kit combined with point and click is broken. Yi only has one damaging spell and I don't really care he's feast or famine. I hate cancerelia trust me. Only Vi ult is point and click. Her Q is really easy to dodge if you aren't retarded. I do t even remember the last time I got hit by a Vi Q.

Genuwhine1 votes

well yeah vi's cant hit skill shots in silver 5..or any skill shot for that matter..

dangopee1 votes

No actually I can because people in silver are retarded. Look man I don't even play ranked. I was Bronze 1 on Saturday and just decided I didn't want to be bronze anymore so I handily climed out in one day. Now I've stopped again. When I decide I don't want to be silver anymore I'll handily climb out in a few days. Not hard.

Genuwhine2 votes

words are one thing, well see. I could probably predict every movement and hit you xP then again im a good player

Cenobite Azaziel1 votes

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Toxic outdated kit and all point and click no skill. The bitch needs a rework.

Another?

Genuwhine3 votes

whats funny is kayles not even that good in the jungle ( can link the lcs coach that says so as well if needed) shes a monster in midlane though, I played her b4 the patch got to diamond w a 65% w/r and i hated her before l0l. She has been fine now shes a lil strong but not anywhere near current meta/kassadin of all champs jesus.

JimmyNtheKudos3 votes

Lol... Stop exaggerating. I agree she's very strong right now, but she's not the only strong jungler. Also, she's not the only OP jungler with Devourer, so nerfing her without changes to Devourer first is counter-productive.

stealthfox942 votes

Kalye isn't pick ban by any means. But yeah I hate everything about her cheap kit. Why do those ranged auto's do so much damage?

Spicy Rice2 votes

So is Kassadin status a thing now? Is it like Olafing and better nerf Irelia and "Compensation"?

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well, he has been the only champion who had been a must-ban for seasons. You pretty much had 5 bans and Kassadin - and that's how things are going with kayle I guess.

GundayMonday2 votes

I played my first game ever as Kayle jungle a day or two ago. I had no idea how to play her mechanically. I had a horrible early game and even messed up a few ganks. I still managed to carry the game (and even got a quadra kill) just by pushing buttons. Had no clue what I was doing and even lost myself in the team fight (the one with a quadra kill). This is just stupid broken and I have no idea how to counter it.

Context: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1899139670/39991220?tab=overview

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Yepp, same thing happened here. i felt like cheating...

TotalJerk1 votes

Y'all don't even know about Kayle top. She's like Trynd in that if your top laner EVER leaves, she takes a tower.

OxBaker1 votes

I agree with what others have said that the problem is much more Sated Devour than Kayle. And I don't think many others look at Kayle as a "must pick" especially considering her popularity is less than 6%.

Beoridas1 votes

I personally never had an issue with kayle if i pick WW. but WE ALL KNOW the issue is sated devourer and not kayle herself. Shyvana is very cancerous just as much with that item.

Kassadin's issue was having riot destroy the entire planet around him and leaving him standing intact. obv he was going to be pure destruction.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well, of course you can handle her by picking the maybe only sated champ with LESS counterplay xD The problem is that kayle gets WAY too much power from that item...

Slamurai Jack1 votes

You make a serious tradeoff by having Kayle jungle on your team. She is pretty much a total nonfactor for the first 15-20 minutes of the game and any decent dueling or fast farming jungler (or both) can make her life hell during this time. Not to mention that Knockbacks completely destroy Kayle in teamfights. Force her ult, knock her back, and enjoy your free teamfight win now that she can't walk up into auto range without being killed near instantly.

Blastermine1 votes

"Kassadin status" should refer to having a 96%+ ban rate if anything.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

I'de say she is on a good way to that as people start pikcing her up now...

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