I am tired of the boards and riot not acknowledging Ahri as a problem

Unlucky47··9 votes·1,903 views

Now before people try to call me out for circle jerking, I've made Ahri threads long before these other people.

I went through and bolded my solutions but I recommend reading the whole thread or at least the area around the bold.

Every time a thread is made about it, it never sees the light of day. Riot hasn't done anything to her. As much as I despise yasuo, his mains understand (for the most part) that he's overpowered in several aspects. But even he only holds a candle to what Ahri can do. Ahri mains, on the other hand, seem to genuinely think their champion is based in complete mechanical skill.

I'm fed up with the way people view Ahri. "Oh she's a high skill cap champion because everythings skill shots" No she isn't. If a champions kit contains 2 skillshots it isn't a viable reason for them being balanced. I used to main vel'koz and you could not look me in the eyes and say that he's a hard champion to play or even to master. I hit level 7 with him very shortly after playing him and the only reason I don't play him is because he is a bit team reliant as far as peeling off problems.

Ahri doesn't have that issue. Her ability to dash three times is more than enough to keep her safe, and give her a gap closer, and juke abilities. Her "skill shots" are really simple to land especially because you only have to land one of them and the other is garunteed in that case. 2 seconds on her charm. Fucking 2. Vel'koz has a simple knockup, swains is a small aoe, xerath's duration fallls off the closer you are, brand has to already have hit you with an ability plus his q being half the size as the charm, Malzahar and cass is on their ultimates, and syndra is just cancer but that's for a different thread.

You see what I'm getting at right? Not only do none of the big mid lane mages have harder to land cc, but it also isn't as effective. Tell me, reasonably, why an AP assassin/mage needs a 2 second charm. She doesn't need 2 seconds to land her full combo. She doesn't need it to survive. She just simply doesn't need 2 seconds.

This brings me to my first solution. Nerf her duration down to 1.25. Maybe 1.5. Giving a burst mage this much utility is fucking ridiculous.

Before I continue, I wanted to go back and discuss a popular opinion of being "Balanced by difficulty". Think about it. If a champion is balanced based on how hard they are to play, then shouldn't they have lower average winrates? But for some reason, Ahri retains 53%? Further more, I wanted to address this idea that she doesn't deal damage without landing e q. One of the reasons I'm writing this thread is how ridiculous her r w combo is. With her w and r both prioritizing champions, Ahri with 2 or 3 items can easily delete and adc per say with nothing but her w and maybe 2 ult charges. And then she would still have one to use defensively.

I have a couple of solutions here. First and foremost, I don't think fox fire should prioritize champions. Zyras plants don't do it anymore (thank god) but why do these 3 mini nukes do it? Secondly, and this is important, **Make Ahri's ult only damage enemies when she dashes towards the enemy. ** She would now have to focus on using her ult for damage OR defense instead of just getting both for free.

The last and final thing I wanted to talk about was an overloaded, unnecessary mechanic in her kit. At one point in time, I mained Azir. I was really decent on him and had fun playing him. And then Rito comes along and looked over everything and said "He doesn't NEED this so we should remove it." or "This doesn't belong on Azir" You get the idea.

So why in the hell does ahri get a ridiculous movement speed increase on her q. Her ult is on such a low cooldown and her charm is a great defensive ability so why does she need a speed up on every q? Part of the reason Ahri is so difficult to do anything to is that she is nearly impossible to kill unless the player is being dumb. There isn't a lot of reliable point and click cc in the game and even then it's hard to hit her because of her range and the ability to dash three times.

So for the final solution, please just Remove the speed up on her Q. You cannot look at something like Azir's w damaging towers and decide to remove that but then think "Man, Ahri really NEEDS that speed up."

Thanks for reading for anyone that actually did and to those who downvoted because they saw Ahri in the title, you're the reason the game isn't working right now.

28 Comments

Challenger Ahri6 votes

The problem isn't Ahri. It's over-nerfing the other midlaners that made her strong. You're literally whining over a kit that hasn't changed in two years because she's popular again. She's always had 3 dashes, always had the charm duration, had the speed boost for two years, and has had a strong fanbase since release, making her a popular midlane champion.

I do think she needs to be toned down if they decide to leave the other midlaners in the gutter, but not how you suggest.

Hexs Fortune5 votes

Ahri is fine. She has to get close to deal most of her damage and her 1 cc can be played around

Unlucky472 votes

Exactly what I mean. You didn't read the thread did you? You just saw the title and commented. I even bolded the main points so people didn't have to sit through it. I'm not going to waste my time explaining things I've already explained. "Has to get close" lmao

Hexs Fortune1 votes

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Exactly what I mean. You didn't read the thread did you? You just saw the title and commented. I even bolded the main points so people didn't have to sit through it. I'm not going to waste my time explaining things I've already explained. "Has to get close" lmao

The Q speed up is a bit unnecessary i'll admit

koshkyra3 votes

I agree, she should not have the speed up on her Q. It's bullshit.

(Sorry for downvoting you. I pressed the upvote button and for some reason it downvoted you. Just know that my +1 is in your heart.)

Unlucky472 votes

u can just change it you know. I'd kinda like this thread to get some attention so maybe Riot will see an ahri thread in the trending section.

But yeah that speed up is just plain unnecessary.

koshkyra2 votes

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u can just change it you know. I'd kinda like this thread to get some attention so maybe Riot will see an ahri thread in the trending section.

But yeah that speed up is just plain unnecessary.

I can't change it, I just end up downvoting you again no matter what button I press, so I'll just stop. For some reason I have like unlimited downvotes on this.

Unlucky472 votes

Nah it's cool man the Ahri mains have already got it. That was fucking fast.

koshkyra3 votes

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Nah it's cool man the Ahri mains have already got it. That was fucking fast.

Well, I apologize. I gave you two myself, unwillingly. You made good points in this post so obviously only an Ahri main would downvote. (And myself)

BlueBilberry1 votes

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Well, I apologize. I gave you two myself, unwillingly. You made good points in this post so obviously only an Ahri main would downvote. (And myself)

At least you are honest about it. ;)

420 grams3 votes

She's only popular now because the mid laners we've had for a while above her got nerfed.

Unlucky472 votes

If that were the case, she wouldn't have a steady 20% play rate. She's been this way for a while now and the only reason she wasn't addressed was because there were bigger problems. Now is the time to address her.

Very Hard Engage3 votes

i just lost to an ahri.

ahri is not the problem. its your build/champ choice/lack of hard initiation on her.

ahri is among the weakest champions in league, she outplays you.

shes has the tools to create a pick while being safe. thats her core. im sorry you are a carry and got shreked all over, but she literally does dirt to everyone else.

you find it difficult to chase/pin her down/blow her up. and thats fine all because she has to work very hard to do it to you with charm.

Unlucky472 votes

Are you fucking serious? This is why Ahri will always be ridiculous. Because people don't want to, for whatever reason, accept the fact that she's strong as hell. Weak? No not even that, you went as far to say she's the weakest. There's probably nothing I can say to people that hold your belief that would change your mind.

Also I don't play ADC and I don't think you even read the thread.

Very Hard Engage3 votes

im completely fine losing to ahri over and over because i feel like she has to earn it every single time.

she has many tools, shes the best at nothing. if you have a job to do you have a champ for that.

if you are going "all hope is lost, i just dont want to feed, ima pick..... ahri!"

shes a soloq pub stomper, nothing more. syndra presses r? annie r? anyone ever give swain a go? GO AHEAD AHRI, COME AT ME.

Oakleaf Ranger3 votes

you talking down to my boy Swain? That shit has won me so many team fights by either starting them or keeping them there. Nothing sweeter than catching the person peeling along with the peele. Needs to activate faster though.

Also ahri is still pretty poop.

Unlucky472 votes

53% winrate mid for nearly a season maybe longer is bad? The more you know. And I was just saying that swains cc is easier to read.

Oakleaf Ranger3 votes

Let me tell you why Ahri is fine and personally is trash unless fed. First off her charm can be creep blocked. Do you know how much harder that makes her charm to land just by that? She will never be able to land that on you with her ult. Second making her fox fire shit not prioritize champion would make it her trash tier instantly. It means standing near your minions would make trading impossible to win by ahri since they alone will probably eat all the fox fire. Also comparing zyra's plants to ahri isn't fair. Summoning plants is pretty mana efficient for zrya compared to most of Ahri's abilities which are way more mana draining. Plus zyra gets the luxury of better mana regen/mana items then ahri, so spamming is easy even easier for her. When she has to use her ult for defensive reasons she loses a drastic amount of kill power against the enemy while being more vulnerable herself while its on cool down. Her Q move speed is there to help her stick to people or kite. Without it maintaining a proper distance on your target becomes next to impossible for at least the early to mid game. It would make running from Ahri too easy and/or put the enemy right in your face. Depending on who it is can be a death sentence for ahri. If ahri is ulting away from your probably only taking dashes worth of damage depending on close she is too you. Your not going to take damage from her ult if she is running away with it.

PS

Yasuo is trash as well, that champ blows.

Penns1 votes

Ahri is still god tier and Yasuo is still good as well tho

Glîtchy1 votes

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Let me tell you why Ahri is fine and personally is trash unless fed. First off her charm can be creep blocked. Do you know how much harder that makes her charm to land just by that? She will never be able to land that on you with her ult. Second making her fox fire shit not prioritize champion would make it her trash tier instantly. It means standing near your minions would make trading impossible to win by ahri since they alone will probably eat all the fox fire. Also comparing zyra's plants to ahri isn't fair. Summoning plants is pretty mana efficient for zrya compared to most of Ahri's abilities which are way more mana draining. Plus zyra gets the luxury of better mana regen/mana items then ahri, so spamming is easy even easier for her. When she has to use her ult for defensive reasons she loses a drastic amount of kill power against the enemy while being more vulnerable herself while its on cool down. Her Q move speed is there to help her stick to people or kite. Without it maintaining a proper distance on your target becomes next to impossible for at least the early to mid game. It would make running from Ahri too easy and/or put the enemy right in your face. Depending on who it is can be a death sentence for ahri. If ahri is ulting away from your probably only taking dashes worth of damage depending on close she is too you. Your not going to take damage from her ult if she is running away with it.

PS

Yasuo is trash as well, that champ blows.

Everyone ignores the fact that her fox fires (W) and Charm (E) have major weaknesses,

  1. Spells like Taliyah's Q and Ahri's Foxfire will NO LONGER proc thunderlord's, plus Foxfire is weak af.(don't know if this was implemented yet as I've been playing Veigar to get outta bronze.

  2. Charm no longer denies a dash mid way, and is a skill shot.

Glîtchy3 votes

Says Ahri's op, plays Corki constantly.

Honestly her only CC (Charm) is easy to dodge plus Lee Sin, Hecarim dashes, Kha'Zix leap, or Rengar leap. seriously, why is THAT op if it can be stopped easily? Just stay behind minions to avoid charm, also when charm is down, she's vulnerable,

heh, Vulnerable.... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anyway, just play Veigar or Vel, they beat her with their heavy CC

Unlucky471 votes

Corki got nerfed like he deserved and is now at a 47% winrate mid, where I play him. And you'd have to be a pretty shit Ahri to lose to velkoz.

Nayqua1 votes

As a Vel main, I would avoid picking him against Ahri.

lolcommunity12 votes

How about you get good and stop trying to pretend that you and everyone else that thinks they know everything about balancing champions. Just by looking at your suggestions, they go to show what little you know about balancing.

"Foxfire should not prioritize enemy champions" "Make Ahri's essence bolt from spirit rush only fire when she dashs to the enemy champion" "Reduce Ahri's charm duration to 1.25 seconds"

Yeah, that is what I called handicapping rather then legitimate nerfs. Thank god you are not on the balancing team.

Yara01 votes

Nerfing ahri would be like nerfing yasuo people would lose their shit. If the problem is shes to mobile though it would be cool to see her ult be turned into what DFG was maybe a little stronger in some areas. :3

Unlucky471 votes

That sounds horrible no offense. I just don't see it. And for that reason, I'm out.

BlueBilberry1 votes

Oh, the boards know. It's pretty obvious if you look carefully. Heck, the downvotes say more than enough. ;)

Ahri is life, etc., etc. :p

BlueBilberry1 votes

It's not a fluke that the "FotM" Leblanc main's this season have migrated to the next closest champ in game style. ;)

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