Why is caitlyn still this strong? This is ridiculous at this point come on riot

Unlucky47··102 votes·6,579 views

Like seriously do SOMETHING

Even just say you're going to do something so we know you have plans for her other than letting her be the strongest adc in the game. She's like the lee sin of bot lane but easier to play.

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Xeruon24 votes

The only thing Cait needs is a few number nerfs, otherwise she's fine. But people aren't happy until the champ they QQ about is unplayable.

Unlucky4722 votes

You're damn straight I'm not happy about getting two shotted from ranges that shouldn't be possible the moment she gets runnans when she doesn't even have an attack damage item.

And she needs a bit more than a few number nerfs (unless you mean the amount of nerfs and not the quality of the nerfs) to put her in a reasonable spot. She is going to need powershifts if riot wants to make her balanced instead of just letting her be everything at once.

Xeruon21 votes

Nerf her traps by either making them last shorter under turret or having on-target cooldowns, nerf her early headshot damage, buff Q base damage to compensate. That's what I meant by "number nerfs." Sounds similar to what you're proposing, but I dunno.

Unlucky476 votes

I would personally rather she have a strong early game and a weak late game ( currently having both obviously ) but It doesnt matter much to me. As long as she's weaker at one of those. I mentioned in a different post that I think a decent nerf would be nerfing the trap placement range. It doesn't make sense that she can place it so far away from her. And not every nerf NEEDS a compensation buff. Especially when talking about the strongest champion in their role.

Xeruon5 votes

Caitlyn is the best in her role right now due to her inherent safety from jungle ganks. Should the jungle meta shift away from early, non-stop ganking, her lane counters would start appearing more, indirectly nerfing her.

Unlucky472 votes

But riots going in the exact opposite direction by making jungle xp almost worthless. It takes so long to clear now and for very little reward that ganking is the only viable strategy left for junglers. Basically riots playing everything around the jungle and that's whats causing a majority of the issues in the game.

the Anarchit3cht4 votes

They are toning back jungle camp xp so that junglers aren't so powerful so early. The problem isn't necessarily the number of their ganks, its' the strength of them. It's annoying when a level 6 junglers comes and ganks you bot lane when you're just barely level 4.

Nahui17 votes

Caitlyn can't have a strong early game and a weak late game because she's an ADC and ADC's can't do that. If that was the case, she would not be picked.

Unlucky472 votes

Lucian was one of the most popular adcs and he fell in that category. It can't be done it's just not what most people want for caitlyn. I personally do but I understand that its more likely going to be the other way around

Xeruon11 votes

For an ADC that falls off late game, Lucian's late game still was far from bad.

Unlucky477 votes

Im not saying that he had a weak late game but it was NOTICEABLY weaker than his early game. That's something that caitlyn doesn't have is noticeable weak points in the game.

Xeruon2 votes

Caitlyn is supposed to have a slumping mid-game, then come back into the game around late, kinda like Tristana. But she's so overtuned at the moment that she's equally powerful in all stages of the game. I'd rather Cait be a late-game hypercarry-ish champ that trades a bit of her damage for more safety.

Unlucky474 votes

That is a valid point but mid game is one of the shortest points in the game. To give a champion a strong early AND late game, where most games are decided, isn't a good design or balance decision at all.

Xeruon4 votes

I can agree on that. Caitlyn is a major bully in lane and scales very well into late game. One of those two needs to go.

Unlucky473 votes

The question is when is riot even going to do anything about it? I think the boards started complaining around 6.23 so here we are 2 months later without any word about nerfs. Makes you wonder

Xeruon2 votes

They'll get to it eventually. I find echoing it over and over again does nothing other than annoy them.

sir d wreck4 votes

Caitlyn opinions aside (because I think she needs a nerf too):

Just because these boards complain about something a lot doesn't mean their opinions are valid and that Riot should listen just because it's their forums users.

Spârky2 votes

You have to remember this was during the time where he could stack arm pen to make up for his bad late game and it was also a lane bully dominant and it was an extremely snowbally meta like it is now. Difference is lucian was nerfed this time around so now we are stuck with the other lane bully Caitlyn

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Nerf her traps by either making them last shorter under turret or having on-target cooldowns, nerf her early headshot damage, buff Q base damage to compensate. That's what I meant by "number nerfs." Sounds similar to what you're proposing, but I dunno.

her Q has 140% ad scaling. really? she isn't; a caster.

Rivuo1 votes

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her Q has 140% ad scaling. really? she isn't; a caster.

Saying her Q has a 140% ad scaling makes it sound overpowered.

Caitlyn doesnt build straight AD. She builds IE then 2 crit items.

Her Q loses half its damage if it hits a target

Lady Hammerlock3 votes

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You're damn straight I'm not happy about getting two shotted from ranges that shouldn't be possible the moment she gets runnans when she doesn't even have an attack damage item.

And she needs a bit more than a few number nerfs (unless you mean the amount of nerfs and not the quality of the nerfs) to put her in a reasonable spot. She is going to need powershifts if riot wants to make her balanced instead of just letting her be everything at once.

My Cait nerf wishlist is just

  1. Lower early trap base damage but increase its per level so it will remain the same late game
  2. Why is she allowed to charge her passive on turrets? that shouldn't be possible
the Anarchit3cht2 votes

1.) 0 damage lowered is still 0 damage. 2.) Essentially every champion with an ability like this can stack or refresh it on a turret. It's working as intended. It stacks on basic attacks. Whether it is fair or not is an entirely different question. And I'd say yes. Unless people like Ashe/Draven/Jax/Xin don't have their passives work/refresh on towers.

Nipsahoy5 votes

Caitlyn is fine.

It amazes me people can complain about Caitlyn but not Jhin who is so much more obnoxious.

THE RlVER KlNG3 votes

Both are cancer who deal oppressive damage from extreme range and are equally annoying even if you manage to catch up to them

Spârky8 votes

When jhin is legit one of the most if not the most balanced/healthy champion in the game. It took riot a little while but they finally got jhin right. He has clear strength's and clear weaknesses

Ahristocats2 votes

the armor pene build made him extremely overpowered

good thing it's gone

Spârky2 votes

Thats why i said it took a bit but riot made him balanced finally. When i play against jhin im never upset and i dont mind seeing him so much.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

The myth that Jhin is one of the most balanced champions in the game is a lie his massive playerbase tells themselves. He's only overshadowed by how overtuned Caitlyn and Twitch are atm - he still have a large winrate for how massive his pick rate is. He's a lane bully who transitions into one of the most oppressive carries in the game once ahead.

"Clear strengths clear weaknesses' my ass. His only weakness is being jumped on by a diver or assassin and that's a weakness shared by half the ADC roster. He's got cc, range, and massive damage with two executes (five if we're being literal).

Spârky1 votes

See i disagree with that. Hes not safe at all and in this meta it keeps him down. And everyone who thinks jhin is op because of his playrate is because hes a fun champion to play. His clear weaknesses is his reload obviously. And his lack of escaping. yes i know he gets movespeed if he crits but he doesnt have any blinks or dashes so hes another immobile adc minus flash. And another weakness is that he wont completely take over a game. Very rarely if jhin gets fed he can just solo carry his team. Hes just not a hard carry champion. Sure if he gets super fed he will do a lot of damage but hes much easier to deal with than say cait gets fed or twitch or tristana who can hyper carry. Hes more of a "supportive" adc meaning he helps set the rest of his team up with his range. So when you come to me with a good reason why hes op rather than "His playrate is too high" then talk to me. Also his "executes" is just an auto attack like the rest of the damn adc role. They all have an "execute" its called a crit. Jhin has his ult which is insanely balanced because it scales off of missing hp whereas before it was just a flat amount of dmg. So if he uses it for executes thats fine but its much better used to set up the team from range and engage on the team. He's so balanced just learn to play around his weaknesses or just ban him if you really think hes that op. He doesn't counter any adc and he doesnt get countered by any adc. He doesnt do one job super well (hyper carry hes meh, damage hes meh, stuff like this) and he doesnt do a job awfully. If you rank adc's based on damage, safety, etc he will never place 1st in any of them but he will always be like number 3. He is always overshadowed by the meta adc's but is always viable. That is what makes him balanced

xelaker5 votes

Twitch sneaky, sneaky

dominusx5 votes

not so sneaky when you press R and oneshot my team you smelly rat!

WHACK5 votes

Most of you are apparently bitter about the one/two shot potential of Caitlyn(no idea why, it's her late game build and range that's derp) and it's funny because when people do get combod by her it's almost always their own fault.

Kayge4 votes

See, as a person who played ADC all of season 6 and is trying to in season 7, Ill say this: ADC`s are the weakest role right now. They are easily killed, and with tanks being ever so much more present, they dont do the damage they used to. Also, assassins exist, and cc is at an all time high. Cait is annoying, yes, but not enough to complain a ton on the boards about her. Shes doing decent in the meta, which is saying something for a marksman

TheSingularity2 votes

It's less tanks and more divers (hec, vi, lee). In an ideal world, they'd be notably squishier but they aint

h5LYF41Lam4 votes

riot butchered the adc champion pool,they gutted kog they gutted lucian and you wonder why cait has a 30 % playrate lul.

Dat Kat4 votes

I don't think she's that strong compared to twitch, vayne, miss fortune, and jinx. If anything I think she needs a buff. I always stomp on her when she lanes against me, it's sad.

no to toxic1 votes

Dude read your summoner name it explains why you always stomp them in lane.

Dat Kat1 votes

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Corrupt Bliss3 votes

Caitlyn is definitely strong, but I don't feel that she is over bearing. Caitlyn has one of the highest ranges in game, and is a natural lane bully/zoner. These are strengths that the marksmen change really helped establish, and with the current meta it's one of the only way to stay safe in the bot lane.

Other high range/wave clear ADC'S I feel perform fine against her. Take a sustain support if you're struggling. Way too often do I see the Vayne pick into a Caitlyn/Zyra bot and then vayne complain "OMG CAIT OP."

Practice positioning and be wary of Caitlyn trap placement and you'll significantly cut her damage.

Sivir/Jhin/Jinx I've found do great in lane against Cait.

Play safe and wait for jungler/mid hanks and should be an easy lane stomp haha.

shadecrapper3 votes

I mean... adcs are in a pretty bad state. Caitlyn is just one of the better adcs.

Unlucky473 votes

Oh lord i finally got on the trending page... so many notifications... I can't respond to them all...

Well to any new people coming in: Cait is an adc, and adcs may be considered weak, and people may say that I'm bad at laning because I don't avoid her traps, HOWEVER

  1. IMO there's only a few adcs that are actually weak and cait sure as hell isn't one of them
  2. A weak or even a fair adc isn't going to lose lane and then take half my health the moment she finishes one item
  3. I don't lane against her, I just deal with the repercussions of her 1v2ing my bot lane at level 4 for a free double and not being able to do anything about it because she kills me in 3 autos mid dash as akali

that only covered like half the comments holy shit

Iźuku Midoriya3 votes

basically female jhin

Handy Sandy 2 votes

Cait easier to play than lee sin? But according to the boards lee sin takes no skill :O

Unlucky4711 votes

He doesn't take as much as his mains make it out to be but he takes a little more than cait

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

His skillshot matters more than hers and he's melee. Eh

Sogreth2 votes

She is fine. I don't see an issue. I will admit, she has less counters than other ADCs, but she doesn't need any nerfs.

Honestly, the strongest thing about her is her traps (during laning anyways). So if you're stepping on all her traps, that's your own fault.

General Esdeath 7 votes

"It's your own fault if you step on a trap hidden under your own tower. It's also your fault if she places it under you when you get CC'd by anything else or if she lines up 5 in front of your tower."

Unlucky473 votes

"it's your fault she two shotted your jungler and now takes half your health whenever you even think about walking in lane"

Giga Kahuna2 votes

implying any adcs are close to overpowered

AhmCha1 votes

It's weird, Riot hasn't responded to a single Cait thread. Normally if someone asks, they'll pop in and say "hey here's what we're thinking about X champion at the moment" assuming that there is some sort of plan in place for them. But there's been complete silence on Cait.

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