Funny how they released Cinderhulk to "increase jungler diversity"

Yimmortal··4 votes·607 views

Instead we see cinderhulk crowding out Warrior, Devourer, and Magus junglers. That item is so good right now for its insanely cheap defense and offensive stats that jungler that wouldn't normally get it are now buying it and junglers who cant lose a competitive edge. For instance, take Lee Sin and amumu for instance. Previously, lee sin would beat amumu early game but lose to him late game, which is fair. Now lee sin loses to Amumu at all stages of the game because Cinderhulk makes amumu stupidly tanky and also deal tons of damage at the same time. Since lee sin doesn't synergize well with Cinderhulk, there is no point to play him anymore. I'm not even a Lee Sin main, but as a jungler main it just doesnt make sense to play a non-cinderhulk champion right now (RIP Yi, Wukong, Khazix, Elise, Shaco, etc.). I don't see how jungler diversity has increased. All I see is that Lee Sin, J4, and Vi have been dethroned and Sejuani, Chogath, Gragas, etc. are the new kings and queens of the jungle. Proposed solution: Revert the nerfs to Warrior and Devourer

TL;DR: Riot wanted to increase jungler diversity with Cinderhulk but nothing has really changed.

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Best Carrot NA2 votes

Yes I fondly prefer the lee sin, vi, j4 etc meta over this cinderhulk bullshit. At least there were ways to outplay them but with cinderhulk you take so much damage just by standing around them

SIayton1 votes

TL;DR people are forced to play useful junglers if they want to be competitive. I don't mind cinderhulk at all. I hated the useless passive farmers that basically left the rest of their team to die if they needed ganks. Game is better where it's at, IMO.

TheSlogs1 votes

Now I don't care what anyone thinks about the tank meta, they can't say this post is wrong...

TheSlogs1 votes

Other than the fact that J4, sometimes even Lees and Vis go tank item... It's sad... Thank you Rito

GorillazNtheMyst1 votes

Amen. This meta is ass.

Old Man Teeto1 votes

Jungle itemization has been poor ever since they introduced jungle specific itemization.

They only did that because people were taking camps before going to lane with little consequence so they had to make the camps more dangerous early, so junglers needed something to offset this, and if it gave combat stats lanes would still start it and take camps.

In the end, none of their changes fixed what they were trying for (or at least said they were trying for) and we still have early camps by lanes and worse of all smite being a contentious summoner for certain top laners.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

Metagame is defined as the highest level of strategy in the game, or rather the best strategy available.

It's inherently impossible to have much build diversity within a single meta because there will always be a "best" choice because that's the definition of a meta. So there's always going to be one jungle style or build path that crowds out the others because its the best. Comprende?

Despite this, it's still possible to play Warrior enchant Kha Zix, Magus enchant Diana, Devourer enchant Yi and have success in soloqueue, because players don't always prescribe to the meta or play it at the level necessary for it to truly be considered meta. That's where your diversity lies, and it's doing just fine right now.

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