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I don't think Thunderlord's is OP but I don't get why every damage over time ability triggers it.

Yimmortal·12/21/2015, 10:57:18 PM·86 votes·9,462 views

It's pretty abusable by anyone with a point and click DoT or a DoT with a wide radius. Like, step into a Morgana pool for half a second and it goes off. Get hit by one Cassiopeia W and it goes off. Thunderlord's is there to rewarding champion for landing their full combos or making a successful trade. It makes no sense why a champion with a DoT can sit back, hit one ability and get the same treatment without committing to any risks. Make it so that Damage over time abilities only apply one stack towards procing Thunderlord's. That should help solve the issue of everyone taking Thunderlord's and push DoT champions towards Deathfire Torch, which is intended for them to begin with .

Edit: it has been brought to my attention that not every single DoT ability triggers Thunderlord's but my point still stands. For the ones that do, it is abusable because you can bully the other laner without committing to anything or taking risks. For instance when playing Hecarim, you can proc Thunderlord's by just by standing close to the enemy laner, turn on your W and wait for 3 ticks. That's free damage for just being near the enemy.

52 Comments

Bârd12/22/2015, 7:52:58 AM14 votes

Nope.

Applied DOT spells (Swain E, Brand Passive, Cass Q) stacks it only when it is first applied.

Persistant AOE spells (Morg W, Vel ult, MF E) apply it every time it occurs.

BeefyLoveLord12/22/2015, 7:30:01 PM4 votes

True Story.

Heimer Rockets can trigger all 3 charges of your moneydagger, and thunderlords all in one volley.

LRM 20's INDEED. Heimerdinger

Critmaster Garen12/21/2015, 11:34:18 PM3 votes

also, why does it trigger off auto attacks, when caries already have a whole tree dedicate to them?

seems like there is a lot of power budget wasted for burst casters and assassins because they made the thing go off on auto attacks.

MLDzXnRRR12/22/2015, 4:47:57 PM2 votes

Thunderlord is op. I've seen games with 10 people with this mastery.

Champion Skin12/23/2015, 12:50:09 AM2 votes

Well it honestly shouldn't matter much... you know why... well because most champions can quite easily proc Thunderlords.... and champions with DoT's are the ones that are designed to make the most use out of Deathfire Touch... so if Thunderlords is stronger on them... then DFT is probably way too weak or Thunderlords is way too strong

UrPalAl12/22/2015, 6:30:11 AM1 votes

It's not OP, it's just all the other masteries are pretty bad in comparison, I believe that the next patch addresses just that, and hopefully it yields a better result.

Tanadris12/22/2015, 7:36:23 AM1 votes

I actually have encountered this with Morgana and it sucks when you want to time your abilities and boop it burns thunderlords. But that is what makes it challenging because you have to pick and choose what abilities and masteries to use with certain champs.

Mooninites12/22/2015, 7:41:33 AM1 votes

cassiopeia's poison does not

Cynika12/22/2015, 11:17:06 AM1 votes

Another thing similar to this that makes me a little sad is lulu's passive when she autos triggers 2 stacks towards thunderlord's. I really hate lulu

TotalJerk12/22/2015, 11:52:09 AM1 votes

It should DEFINITELY not double proc off enhanced autos or on-hit passives. Did you know Corki's passive means he instantly gets 2 stacks with one auto?

AkabaneKun12/22/2015, 1:47:03 PM1 votes

What i don't get is why it can be proc multiple times on the same target, that's honestly the reason everyone takes it, a 5x thunderlord team has a much greater % of getting fb and steamrolling from there, pretty much any jungler and laner at lvl 2 can burst someone from 100-0 in 2 secs now.

SpecterVonBaren12/22/2015, 2:18:27 PM1 votes

I'd like to see it require 2 autos when used by a ranged champion to apply a stack (So six autos total needed) so you don't get even DPS champions with burst because of it.

RogueWill12/22/2015, 2:25:27 PM1 votes

Try Rumble Flamethrower... all it has to do is Q+E and you get hit by thunderlord

Zenanii12/22/2015, 3:59:19 PM1 votes

I just find it ridiculous how a Morg with thunderlords, frost queens and Ludens have the most reliable long-range poke in the game >_> (balance aside).

(Nasus can also do this, but unlike Morg he completely gimps himself by building ap).

bobsenbob12/22/2015, 4:47:53 PM1 votes

the thing is spells like hecarim w and velkoz ult aren't classified as DoT abilities, they're persistent aoe abilities actual dot abilities only apply 1 stack of thunderlords, upon casting

Poske12/22/2015, 5:19:35 PM1 votes

You do realise Thunderlord has 20 sec cd

Never use it over Deathfire on brand morgana and other dot champs

PhoenixSlayer1312/22/2015, 6:44:20 PM1 votes

I noticed that Twitch's passive stacks ALSO trigger Thunderlord's.

Yeah... it's kinda bullshit.

Faustavian12/22/2015, 8:04:38 PM1 votes

Malzahar You'll walk by a minion, and out of nowhere you get hit with a thunderlords.

JnFnRu12/22/2015, 10:28:15 PM1 votes

I also don't understand how Morgana can cast W, move back and proc it....... Especially cause she doesn't blow your Banshees

LithiumWednesday12/23/2015, 6:47:47 AM1 votes

Personally I haven't had too much of a problem with it, but to add to interactions: Kayle Can apply Thunderlord's in two(?) autos with E -I think Aatrox has a similar interaction with his W but I haven't tested this Ryze Can apply Thunderlord's with one E cast

GG Noob Team12/21/2015, 11:00:18 PM1 votes

I agree with that with both my hands.

The Smasher1/26/2016, 2:10:33 AM1 votes

It's annoying, hence my lack of game play since its intro. It's sad how much free dmg it gives. Not over powered, I agree but it is simply a huge buzz kill when someone shows up with it. Like a fly landing on your face when you try to take a nap. You were in a zone and now you have to get up and deal with the damn fly. I have honestly lost interest in the game because of this cheap mastery. The first time I saw it I was angered and confused, "What the **** is this random smite like bull$#!%?" I think, was what I said. Once I found out, I just threw up my hands, logged out, and have little desire to sign back in. The explanation of why they left it alone after recognizing its O-Penis is a sad one indeed. I don't want to play with new masteries masteries designed to level the playing field. I want to use the kits that the champs have built in, and get better with old fashioned practice and honing of skill. But this freebie... It doesn't feel right. Just had to add my 2 cents.

May the crits be forever in your favor my friends.

Azteryz12/22/2015, 2:47:55 AM1 votes

ironically enough i think zed procing it with his full weq combo is a lot more healthier and logical than the morg/cass doing it

TheDiff12/22/2015, 2:51:22 AM1 votes

It only procs it if you stand in an area of effect pool, like morg's W. If I use Malz's E or Cassio's Q on you it won't proc. If you stand in the pool for it to hit you 3 times you kinda deserve it.

iamthegoatofwar12/22/2015, 6:00:05 AM1 votes

singed Q does this as well. I think you have to refresh poison on them 3 times.

Comrade Napoleon12/22/2015, 6:17:55 AM1 votes

go into lane as Ryze with thunderlords, lvl up E first, wait till the enemy is inside their wave between thier minions, cast e and watch how 40% of their HP vanish.