So I had the pleasure of laning against a Darius again and I wonder...

SaltyToplaneGoat··3 votes·616 views

... what was this guys weakness supposed to be again?

You cannot trade him very early, due to the passive. You cannot trade him later on, because he will heal up anyways while you play a tranditonal toplaner that hasn't gotten a free bullshit heal into their kit. And poking... most ranged poke abilities of toplaners are laughable in terms of damage, that's if they have one, and only exist to start a trade, which you can't, since Darius pretty much wins by default.

So what can I do? Sit at my turret and wait until he's gone so I can cs?

Only pick Lissandra top because only range can have an even game here?

Cry for ganks? Yeah, congratulations. That's not exactly counterplay. That's having shit design that is so strong, it requires multiple players to counter it starting from minute one - manpower that is usually needed elsewhere.

At this point I'd rather play against the pre-rework version of him with all the issues it had. At least, that guy got punished for every tiny miscalculation in his trades due to a lack of sustain.

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Ok sure but why4 votes

"Lots of armour and health and lots of cc - basically ruin your whole build and team strategy to counter the single person, ignoring the rest of their team"

-everyone on these boards

DREADN0UGHT3 votes

Gnar

But in all seriousness, Darius has a very strong 1v1 in the early levels. Kinda like full build Yasuo is scary.

So the trick is to out farm him, by either picking the right champ into him, or waiting for ganks, or baiting him into wasting his mana.

Stuff like Gnar Garen or Ekko is good.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Gnar

But in all seriousness, Darius has a very strong 1v1 in the early levels. Kinda like full build Yasuo is scary.

So the trick is to out farm him, by either picking the right champ into him, or waiting for ganks, or baiting him into wasting his mana.

Stuff like Gnar Garen or Ekko is good.

Garen is a terrible pick into Darius.

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

Not if you know what you are doing.

Max Q, wait for him to cast a Q into minions or bait it. Once he swings it, you Q his ass and cast W to dampen the dmg. Then just walk away.

Rinse and repeat till he is oom and you regen hp from passive.

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

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Not if you know what you are doing.

Max Q, wait for him to cast a Q into minions or bait it. Once he swings it, you Q his ass and cast W to dampen the dmg. Then just walk away.

Rinse and repeat till he is oom and you regen hp from passive.

Even if Darius misses Q, he can AA > W you before the animation of your Q is finished. Two stacks. As you try and W away he can reengage with E. Now you're in his face with your W and Q on CD. What happens now? You lose trade of course. And if you get to disengage after that the bleed stalls out your passive cd for an extra 5 seconds.

Garen is a terrible pick into darius.

ActivatingEMP1 votes

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Garen is a terrible pick into Darius.

So is gnar...

Bhagswag3 votes

His movement is limited. I used to be scared playing vs top Darius with my best top champ Shen.

Then something happened, and I am not longer scared. Just had to know how and when to hit him.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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You cannot trade him later on, because he will heal up anyways while you play a tranditonal toplaner that hasn't gotten a free bullshit heal into their kit.

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2792282551/36293995?tab=overview

lol

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

from the looks of this match overview, they were winning, but then threw the game out the window mid game. sad

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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from the looks of this match overview, they were winning, but then threw the game out the window mid game. sad

Plus, they claimed they don't play champions with heals in their kit, but were playing Illaoi. Lmao.

Shadòw1 votes

Don't engage into long fights with him.

He will rip you apart if you stay too long in fight with him. Wither outrange him or go in for short trades, if you are sure you are able to get out quickly. Or take him down 2v1. Ganking IS counterplay.

Blumpkin Nation1 votes

I think, like most toxic top lane picks, you basically need to ALWAYS 2 vs 1 him. Unless you're someone who has an equal amount of sustain or damage.

Granted: If you're melee, he's just going to shit all over you. Ranged characters have an easier time if they have mobility to kite him.

A Simple Desire1 votes

Or pick someone who can hug him and delete him through pure damage. As a Darius main the main thing that counters is Riven Irelia Kennen Renekton Fiora . Irelia, Riven and Fiora because not only do they outdamage Darius without his 5 stacks but they can hug him through dashes so he as little chance of hitting his outer Q which he heavily relies on. And usually they can kill Darius before he can even reach 5 stacks. Renekton because he has his 2 dashes and E -> empowered W -> Q -> E out is a trade Darius simply cannot compete with since empowered W stun is too long for him to retaliate. Kennen for obvious reasons. Ranged and does a lot.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Simple Desire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nEzELYuZ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-08-10T21:41:50.063+0000)

Or pick someone who can hug him and delete him through pure damage. As a Darius main the main thing that counters is Riven Irelia Kennen Renekton Fiora . Irelia, Riven and Fiora because not only do they outdamage Darius without his 5 stacks but they can hug him through dashes so he as little chance of hitting his outer Q which he heavily relies on. And usually they can kill Darius before he can even reach 5 stacks. Renekton because he has his 2 dashes and E -> empowered W -> Q -> E out is a trade Darius simply cannot compete with since empowered W stun is too long for him to retaliate. Kennen for obvious reasons. Ranged and does a lot.

Fiora is a weak matchup into darius.

Irelia used to be weak into darius but now its a skill matchup after she gets the new tri force.

Riven is a good counter

Kennen is a good counter

Renekton can be played around if you backstep and activate decimate when he tries to dash in on you. You outscale renekton later game.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

he can't deal with disengage and wastes resources trying to engage to begin with

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

lol Darius does like so little damage though

Not too hard to outscale him, and he's extremely vulnerable to ganks.

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