Can we make Sated Devourer Melee only?

Tentakill Myself·Aug 9, 2015·167 votes·6,381 views

I know riot wont listen even if this gets 1,000 upvotes but ayy worth a shot.

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FadedpfAug 9, 201520 votes

Only stops the Kayle jungle problem, and the rare TF Sated Jungle. But this is a good step in the right direction.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 9, 20154 votes

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Only stops the Kayle jungle problem, and the rare TF Sated Jungle. But this is a good step in the right direction.

But I really like Kayle in the jungle :c I usually play her mid but her jungling is the most fun I've had in Jungle in a long time.

Trash ADC BtwAug 9, 20151 votes

It's fine to like something, but wouldn't you rather it be something that's strong, but not overpowered and unfun to play against?

ModAttysu The PoroAug 10, 20151 votes

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It's fine to like something, but wouldn't you rather it be something that's strong, but not overpowered and unfun to play against?

I don't really mind going against a Kayle Jungle :P

Trash ADC BtwAug 10, 20151 votes

I do. Personally. Right now it's far too... powerful, for lack of a better word. She can ult-herself to make her immune to being stopped until after she's had enough time to delete three enemies, even Chained CC won't work while she's ulted.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 10, 20152 votes

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I do. Personally. Right now it's far too... powerful, for lack of a better word. She can ult-herself to make her immune to being stopped until after she's had enough time to delete three enemies, even Chained CC won't work while she's ulted.

Hm, I see where you're coming from. I guess since I love playing Kayle I know how to bait out her ult and such easier. It might be unfun for others, so I agree the Devourer nerf should come in. I just hope Kayle will still be a decent jungler after it.

Trash ADC BtwAug 10, 20151 votes

I fullheartedly agree. Kayle Jungle should be viable, especially due to the nature of her intervention ult, but this is not the way to do it, IMO. No champion should be able to 4 shot a Rammus with full build in his W, even if she has full build too.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 10, 20152 votes

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I fullheartedly agree. Kayle Jungle should be viable, especially due to the nature of her intervention ult, but this is not the way to do it, IMO. No champion should be able to 4 shot a Rammus with full build in his W, even if she has full build too.

Yeah that's kinda ridiculous. The only thing I have to say, is that Kayle before she gets Nashors is pretty weak. :P

JefftiffyAug 9, 20152 votes

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But I really like Kayle in the jungle :c I usually play her mid but her jungling is the most fun I've had in Jungle in a long time.

Don't worry it wouldn't. Because Kayle's enhanced AAs are melee. Just ask Yasuo.

Baron of BreadAug 9, 20157 votes

They actually do count as ranged since they proc Runaan's and not Ravenous. The only real "ranged melee" attack is GP's Parrrley.

SH AzykanAug 9, 20152 votes

no projectile, but are still ranged, just like velkoz and thresh aa's (they can't be WW'd either)

Tentakill MyselfAug 9, 201535 votes

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Only stops the Kayle jungle problem, and the rare TF Sated Jungle. But this is a good step in the right direction.

It also stops that Vayne sated jungle :>

ApexInTheCircleAug 9, 20151 votes

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It also stops that Vayne sated jungle :>

Played against sated vayne twice since the damn thing came out. Both games we lost and the Vayne absolutely desecrated our team. The only times we were able to stop them is if we burned all of our CC on them and then the enemy team ran us over.

NarasimhaAug 9, 201522 votes

I mean, what was your jungler doing...? Its not like Vayne has a fast clear, or even good sustain. If he wasn't living in her jungle, and she finished her items, you entirely deserve the outcome.

Its All SkillzzAug 9, 20156 votes

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I mean, what was your jungler doing...? Its not like Vayne has a fast clear, or even good sustain. If he wasn't living in her jungle, and she finished her items, you entirely deserve the outcome.

vayne has safe clears with range an kiting and krugs buff to stun, every jungler who has tried to invade me has died vayne has a wall stun and true damage and a low cd escape viva tumble by level 3. she is not that easy to counter jungle it requires more than 1 person an they have to have cc.

NarasimhaAug 9, 201513 votes

Odd. I've only played against a jungle Vayne once, but our Yi destroyed her. She didn't even have Sated until 30 minutes in. Maybe its just the elo difference.

junglerboy16Aug 10, 20151 votes

She is at least safe in her early clears, if not strong, since if an enemy comes to invade she can easily wall-stun, tumble away, and then just run to safety.

She isn't that great of a jungler (awful ganks without ult, takes longer than most to stack devourer, poor clear speed), but she is passable, and Sated Devourer has such strong energy with her that it makes sense that in those cases where she wasn't properly shut down she would outscale pretty hard. She isn't a reliable or OP jungler, but if they're lucky, she can become a lategadme powerhouse. She's actually really similar to Poppy jungle in that aspect since both have great ways of taking care of invades reliably, but have only decent ganks and rely on heavy late game scaling to succeed.

SnowplosionAug 9, 20151 votes

I don't quite understand what on-hit affect does Vayne have that sated helps her. The double bork, but if her w also counts it would take every six basic attacks.

Trias000Aug 9, 20155 votes

Her W procs every 2 attacks with Sated Devourer

SnowplosionAug 9, 20151 votes

It still procs on the third attack too? If not there is just a slight advantage

Trias000Aug 10, 20151 votes

Every other autoattack applies 2 stacks of Silver Bolts instead of 1. So if you shoot somebody twice, you deal %hp true damage to them. It increases her W's dps by 50%. E.g. if you have 1.5 attack speed, then you proc W 0.5 times per second on average. With sated devourer, you proc it 0.75 times. Of course you need to sacrifice a crit item - Stattik Shiv, Phantom Dancer, Youmuu's, but all in all, her damage rises with Sated Devourer.

DownfallAug 9, 201510 votes

Less concerned about the Vayne sated jungle, more concerned about the vayne's taking smite in bot and going devourer there.

Sassmast3rAug 9, 20151 votes

Well you must keep in mind, Vayne's jungle clear is very time consuming, so as long as your jungler is counterjungling and your bottom lane is either sustaining or killing so that she cannot stay in lane, than you guys should be fine.

DownfallAug 9, 20152 votes

Not concerned with her as a threat, as much as having one on my team.

Malicious FuryAug 9, 20151 votes

Melee or ranged champions are defined by auto-attack functioning without the use of abilities. Kayle's AA is melee and only is ranged with an ability. So it won't stop Kayle if it's made melee only.

Nameless VoiceAug 9, 20153 votes

It would mean that she doesn't get stacks or apply the on-hit damage with her E active, only when she is melee.

Zair UmbrasAug 9, 201512 votes

Considering the biggest offenders are currently Shyvanna, Shyvanna, and Shyvanna, I don't think this is worth even being an idea. Can we get it removed so we can balance Shyvanna PROPERLY?

I normally don't like to base things on ban rate, but she's nearing old Kassadin ban rate... She's at nearly 67% on Champion.GG

AnonagonAug 9, 201512 votes

Kassadin had a 95% ban rate... and an over 100% pick + ban rate, because in blind pick both sides would pick him most of the time.

Nothing can ever compare.

Slamurai JackAug 9, 20155 votes

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Considering the biggest offenders are currently Shyvanna, Shyvanna, and Shyvanna, I don't think this is worth even being an idea. Can we get it removed so we can balance Shyvanna PROPERLY?

I normally don't like to base things on ban rate, but she's nearing old Kassadin ban rate... She's at nearly 67% on Champion.GG

You realize that Shyvana's win rate has actually gone down since Sated Devourer came out right? You wanna know why? Because they nerfed her when it came out and despite what people think, she was already a really strong jungler with the old Devourer. Shyvana killing people in 3-4 autos didn't start with Sated; I was doing that with the old Devourer and Botrk. That's just what a Shyvana that rushes multiple damage items does. People are so used to Shyvana's that rush sunfire cape and more recently cinderhulk that they forgot just how much damage Shyvana does when she builds damage. It's not the item friends. It's the champion. And that champion doesn't need nerfed; she retains all the same weaknesses as before and is still inferior to whoever the dominant gank oriented junglers of the time are.

Zair UmbrasAug 9, 20154 votes

Her win rate has dropped because of how fricken powerful she has become. People who used to never play Shyv are now picking her when their teammates forget to ban her and do horribly and people who are looking for 'Freelo' use her. Remember when LB was near pick and ban? Her Winrate was tanked into the floor.

LlaniteAug 9, 201511 votes

With the biggest issue being Yi, Jax, Kayle and Shyv. I don't see how this would fix anything.

Robert SmithAug 9, 20157 votes

Forgot Udyr, Warwick and Xin Zhao

SinlaireAug 9, 20152 votes

nobody ever mentions Aatrox

item 3070 Amumu

is he just not that oppressive as a jungle compared to everyone else or is it due to the fact that it's just about all that's making him viable again?

SpecterVonBarenAug 9, 20152 votes

It's because even with it he needs to snowball to do well.

Hard PenetratorAug 9, 20153 votes

Jax is pretty funny actually, he is crappy at start but if he gets sated and bork it feels like you play on cheats or something.

chipndip1Aug 9, 20151 votes

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With the biggest issue being Yi, Jax, Kayle and Shyv. I don't see how this would fix anything.

Warwick

Mistress MadokaAug 9, 20151 votes

At least he's not Patch 4.20 WW, right?

chipndip1Aug 9, 20152 votes

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At least he's not Patch 4.20 WW, right?

True, but when he hits late game he's just fking unstoppable while he still does good damage.

ChaosThiefAug 9, 20152 votes

Wouldn't kayle using her E (I don't know kayle's skills, so please tell me if that's the wrong one) disable the sated though, because it counts as ranged attacks (and this would disable ranged sated)?