Add more divisions to bronze and sliver

Darth Sidiouss·Mar 30, 2016·2 votes·737 views

i posted earlier today but people got the wrong idea of the post by criticizing me etc on runes... masteries.. when those are just a variable in the game itself we all know someones runes etc doesn't automatically decide who wins or loses a match in league of legends. Too make this short and sweet the largest amount of players are in bronze and sliver. People fresh off the lvl 30 boat and others with some experience but clearly need improvement. For this issue i suggest divisions upwards of the current 5 for bronze and sliver to spread the population or to create a new division itself somehow. i know this would mean more climbing as iam trying to climb myself but this would spread everyone out more and keep the skill cap more appropriate.

24 Comments

SeekerofSilenceMar 30, 20163 votes

You didn't get critisized for nothing. You made a thread complaining about how great you were at the game and that you deserved higher ratings. That's why people looked at your games and tried to help you.

That aside, I don't see much of a point in more leagues. You get matched based on mmr, not actual rating. If you win a lot (and rightfully so), you won't ever have to meet these "bad" players you speak of (unless you are equal to them yourself, of course).

Oh, and *silver.

Darth SidioussMar 30, 20161 votes

ur putting words in my mouth i made a outline of what i do in matches i never said i was great did i [slayer-jinx-unamused] i also stated that i was not perfect as a player that i also make mistakes ?? i understand they wanna help etc. You need to understand that it is a team based game and everything in a loss match doesnt always account towards me im not always the bad guy , u get trolls etc you cannot take me and turn me into a variable thats a problem of a much more mature issue so stop criticizing people

SeekerofSilenceMar 30, 20161 votes

You claimed that a lot of bronze players deserve gold/plat and proceeded to point out all the things you do correctly (farm scores, how well you participated in the game etc.) in your games. You're practically saying you're deserving of higher rating. Since you're stuck in "elohell" (which btw doesn't exist) people tried to help you. You took it as criticism and now you're apparently butthurt over it.

I don't get your last sentence, if makes no sense whatsoever, so I'll just leave it at that.

Darth SidioussMar 30, 20161 votes

i didnt say alot i said some people could potentially be gold or plat that are stuck , a majority of players are bronze and sliver whos to say who's really at what skill lvl. And the outline was just showing casing what i do VS what some people DONT DO thats it if u see it as that way then YOU think i should not be in bronze as well i met diamonds who stopped playing and had they're rank drop B5 after such a long time and are having the same issue there was a diamond who played on a sliver account and stated this exact problem on the forums. but nobody downvoted him cause he was diamond ! You see the problem here ???

SeekerofSilenceMar 30, 20161 votes

*silver

How on earth did you conclude that I think you don't deserve bronze? I was clearly expressing all over the comment section that your attitude was horrible and that bronze was the proper place for you. Not once did I say I thought you deserved higher. Diamonds do have penalties for not playing for a while, but they'll never fall further than gold I due to it. You won't EVER see a diamond in bronze unless they purposely purchased an account just to stomp. That guy was obviously lying if he told you he dropped from diamond to bronze, and if he did he was most likely boosted last season.

There's no problem here, except your inability to compose proper sentences and spell the word 'silver'.

Darth SidioussMar 30, 20161 votes

im just busting your balls there but that's because you keep stating that i said i deserved it or other people i was making differences basically saying that there is skill difference that cannot be contained between bronze and sliver

SeekerofSilenceMar 31, 20161 votes

Search for "skill tiers league of legends" and click a video made by Scrapcomputer. Maybe that will enlighten you (on phone so I can't link it).

Spanked eGirlMar 30, 20162 votes

Bronze X - Here I come.

JavelinJoeMar 30, 20161 votes

Maybe a "fresh meat" division so new level 30's can acclimate to the ranked environment before their promos. Call it Wood Division. And BTW I am a firm believer that wrong mastery pages alone can cost you a lane. For example, Jhin with DFT will have a few hundred points of burn damage on top of his normal damage, where as Jhin with Bond of Stone will get shit on due to the 6% absorbed damage when other near by allies taking damage.

F03Mar 30, 20161 votes

Morello said he was gonna do this but he lied

Darth SidioussMar 30, 20161 votes

So riot discussed this before ? hmmmmmmmmm

F03Mar 30, 20161 votes

{quoted}

So riot discussed this before ? hmmmmmmmmm

"I've been looking at ranked and decided it was time to add a division somewhere around the lower area to even out discrepancies."

That was 3-5 years ago

Darth SidioussMar 30, 20161 votes

what he said is exactly my point ! this is a huge problem in lower elo

AbyssphereMar 30, 20161 votes

I think adding something below Bronze would make more sense. I-V in every division is standard, so best not to break that and make a new tier instead.

Darth SidioussMar 30, 20161 votes

that could work too but what would they call it

KazaJhodoApr 1, 20161 votes

Wood tier. No joke, why not. Wood 1-5, enter jokes here.

KazaJhodoApr 1, 20161 votes

This could work. I'm not eager to become wood tier, but if it clean up the ladder I'm all for it.

Essentially if you can solve the matchmaking issue in low elo, it will solve it everywhere. Low elo should be the most difficult to match accurately.

JRobin31Mar 31, 20161 votes

What exactly is the problem in Bronze and Silver and how does adding divisions solve that problem? You mention that most of the player population is in Bronze and Silver and that more divisions would "spread everyone out and keep the skill cap more appropriate" but matches are made according to MMR, not division. Adding more divisions, wouldn't change any of your games. Do you feel the League system is failing to provide meaningful goals?

Darth SidioussApr 1, 20161 votes

because u have people who just reach lvl 30 who are pretty much still clueless at the game for example they will only have mastered maybe 1 champion at lvl 5 etc etc and those people get placed around sliver 5-3 and bronze 3-1 where there are people who have much more experience but arent that good either so with that said u can say theres a big skill gap thats being mixed within the elo and thats the problem

Darth SidioussApr 1, 20161 votes

and the mmr is complete bs because i have hundreds of wins yet i get placed with people who have 30-50 wins or less and my enemies would have a similar amount of wins like me

JRobin31Apr 2, 20161 votes

It's true that there are significant variations of skill where new players enter ranked. But adding another tier to the league system won't change who you get matched with in your games. RIOT could add a hundred divisions and it wouldn't change who your opponents are. I think that in order to consider a change to the league system, the system has to be shown to not provide meaningful goals to the players. For example, when RIOT added the free win system in lower tiers it really did help make climbing feel more rewarding. Even if you get to your promos and lose, you still feel rewarded for making it to the promos because you earned a free win. Adding more divisions isn't going to spread the players out according to their skill because new players will still be entering the system at around the same hidden matchmaking point.

KazaJhodoApr 1, 20161 votes

This isn't a bad idea, but well this is a bad idea. Adding a division may not be a bad idea, below bronze. It wouldn't hurt to have further definition between skillsets in low elo. Bronze is just a shit show, maybe adding a wood tier would bring more balance to the force. There are like eleventy million people in bronze, maybe matchmaking would be better if there was more room to create skill definitions.

Darth SidioussApr 1, 20161 votes

exactly people assume just because your bronze your automatically bad at the game when there is a set of people who can actually play beyond the bronze skill cap which I've personally witnessed in bronze. People think this sounds dumb but its because riots never done this before so the idea seems alien AF to them.

KazaJhodoApr 1, 20161 votes

Well we are bad. No question.

Though I think you're onto something adding a new division below bronze. As the game scales up adding more and more players, if most of them pile to bronze, there is probably a wide variation of skill without even those players. A variation beyond the scope of 5 tiers.

It spirals out of control pretty fast. Since people are so bad in bronze, better players (smurfs) can come in and rofl(troll) them, creating all sorts of crazy numbers in the system and screwing up peoples mmr. As well as quitters and ragers, afks, bad players(most players) Players can more easily get carried, players that shouldn't win games win games- gain mmr and suddenly they are in our games.

Until the system takes into calculation individual play in some way shape or form, the ladder will always be inaccurate. This is most evident in low elo where skill levels are just all over the place. The system shows its true form under the true test. Can it balance the ladder in bronze. lol Is it even possible? lol

There are more and more posts about how low elo feels like luck. Well, people aren't crazy. It feels like luck because its inconsistent in its matching.

I played a game the other day where a plat smurf kat decimated midlane, then came bot and double killed us under turret at 10 minutes. Fun.

Point being that there are many things effecting mmr outside of my individual play, so whatever that number is, its horseshit unless matchmaking is doing its job well. If it was, then it could be accurate, but when a systems accuracy is based on the systems accuracy itself... you have an issue.

Players in high elo say mmr works. I have a diamond friend that agrees its busted, but generally bronze people can't be smart and we generally don't know what we're talking about in any state, because we're bad. To which I would generally agree, but there are players in bronze that are better than bronze. No question.

I say if it doesn't work in low elo, it doesn't work in high either. If something doesn't work, it doesn't work, even if its correct here and there. The reason people think it works in high elo is because the skillgaps are much smaller the higher you go in elo. Its much more difficult to see the discrepancies, whereas in low elo its super easy to see them.