Can we please make Kennen less reliant on his ult

Yenn·Aug 29, 2016·8 votes·502 views

Becoming completely worthless because the enemy team has someone playing Janna, Kindred, etc. is dumb and unhealthy game play.

Make it so that Kennen can function in these games where his ult is completely hard countered, instead of turning into a virtually worthless shuriken bot/glorified ADC peel.

It would be one thing if the enemy team had to make an effort to stop his ult, but in it's current state, so many champions can just press R and completely negate it. This might be okay if his ult wasn't 90% of his contribution to his team.

19 Comments

JedditeAug 29, 20167 votes

**ITT: **Yenn cries about counter-picks to his Kennen top

"THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO ME -- YENN!"

YennAug 29, 20161 votes

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**ITT: **Yenn cries about counter-picks to his Kennen top

Counter-picked vs. 'lol 3/4 of the abilities in your kit are now unusable, enjoy'

JedditeAug 29, 20165 votes

Future Yenn Thread:

** "IT'S BULLSHIT HOW AND CAN KNOCK ME OUT OF MY ULT WHEN IM PLAYING "**

Handy Sandy Aug 29, 20162 votes

Does janna's R affect kennen ulting with Zhonya's?

YennAug 29, 20161 votes

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Does janna's R affect kennen ulting with Zhonya's?

No, but you won't get into range to Zhonya before she knocks you back and slows you.

Handy Sandy Aug 29, 20165 votes

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No, but you won't get into range to Zhonya before she knocks you back and slows you.

Well janna's R kinda counters everyone except people with really long range ults like Jhin or Braum. Fiddlesticks, Annie, Darius, Cassiopeia, Katarina and others can't really do much against it. Janna or Kindred are just counterpicks, all champions have them.

Fondling GemsAug 29, 20162 votes

Well then don't ult until after she ults.

YennAug 29, 20161 votes

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Well then don't ult until after she ults.

Which means you're basically AFK throwing shurikens until the team fight is over, essentially leaving your team 4v5. Waiting until your entire team is dead and then going in to ult (and likely dying instantly) sounds like a good strategy

ReikkenAug 29, 20161 votes

take ghost, flash, and protobelt. Then if you get displaced before you can ult and pop stasis, you can still get back in.

Also, haste supports

YennAug 29, 20161 votes

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take ghost, flash, and protobelt. Then if you get displaced before you can ult and pop stasis, you can still get back in.

Also, haste supports

You're still slower than base movement speed after Janna slows you and this does nothing to help with other ults like Kindred's.

ReikkenAug 29, 20161 votes

not if she already slowed someone else, or your support used crucible on you, or you have QSS or cleanse!

or you have a morgana. there you go. bam. counterpick the counterpick

as for kindred, uh. good luck. Kindred ult counters almost any hard engage. Maybe take your own Janna and ult the enemy out of there

Fondling GemsAug 29, 20162 votes

No, you start to go in, if Janna ults then you get pushed back. You then have about a minute of time before she can do it again. There you go. If she does let you in then you zhonyas.

YennAug 29, 20161 votes

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No, you start to go in, if Janna ults then you get pushed back. You then have about a minute of time before she can do it again. There you go. If she does let you in then you zhonyas.

Janna doesn't just ult you. She slows you first, and as soon as you get in range to ult, she knocks you back. If you Zhonya before she ults. you literally have the carries in the edge of your ult and they need to take half a step to the side to get out of it. If you don't Zhonya and she knocks you away, the carries now know exactly where you are and they're going to turn on you and kill you or force Zhonya before you get in range again.

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not if she already slowed someone else, or your support used crucible on you, or you have QSS or cleanse!

or you have a morgana. there you go. bam. counterpick the counterpick

as for kindred, uh. good luck. Kindred ult counters almost any hard engage. Maybe take your own Janna and ult the enemy out of there

If you're in range of your support, you're not flanking, meaning you had to run through their front line, which will also be focused on stopping you. If your support is flanking with you, it's not protecting your ADC, who is infinitely more important than Kennen.

BananaSlayerAMOAug 29, 20161 votes

Katarina too ;-;

EedatAug 29, 20161 votes

There needs to be counterplay to it because its an extremely strong ult that can single handedly win a team fight. I main Wukong which is a pretty similar type of ult. It's also countered by the same things ( Janna being a huge one). Have to learn to play around it.

If they made the rest of his kit more powerful, they would have to nerf his ult a lot. Cant just arbitrarily give him lots of extra power with no drawsbacks or new weaknesses.

WoonStruckAug 29, 20161 votes

Go Fervor and you won't be reliant on your ult. Kennen has pretty stellar base attackspeed.

You end up with insane early pressure, and if you snowball, you snowball HARD.

Outside of that, mid-late game, kennen is fine. You can always save your ultimate, much like many Gnars and such are forced to.

BloodyTomponAug 29, 20161 votes

This looks like a nerf Janna thread in disguise...

YennAug 29, 20161 votes

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This looks like a nerf Janna thread in disguise...

Janna is fine, the problem is that Kennen's entire kit and purpose revolves around his ultimate, which is easily countered by half of the roster.

ReikkenAug 29, 20161 votes

But I would indeed like Kennen to be less ult centric. But I'm not a Kennen player, so any reworks at all to him are good for me.

I don't like ult-centric champs in general. ex: MF rework shoved a ton of her power budget into her ult, and I hate it. Used to love the champ, but she feels terrible to play now.