@Riot : Is your new policy "nerf damage or buff damage because that's the only issue" ?

Beatrice falls··6 votes·2,651 views

So far when something is fucking broken, all you do is just touch his numbers in term of damage. Don't you understand that something can be fucking bs aside of damage ?

MonkeyKing what did you nerf ? Oh wow his Q and E damage Garen what did you nerf ? His Q damage at max rank

Can't you understand that's the issue can be somewhere else ? Since the recent patches that's the only thing you've been bothering touching. Look, I don't care if a Garen builds a item 3078 and takes 5648965415 HP of mine, I care when the Garen builds item 3078 and is as tanky as me with tank items because of the 30% damage reduction that has no scaling and the free armor in his kit + his free sustain for standing still.

Same as MonkeyKing : first the issue were item 3095 and item 3147, not the champion. And the issue behind it is because of a binary kit stacking everything in a single AA. But no, you nerfed his Q and E damage and forgot about him.

Next : I can bet you're going to touch Jhin damage rather than bothering fixing his MS stacking bs allowing him to be Sanic 24/7

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Critmaster Garen3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Beatrice falls,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n1rG72Au,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-11T12:01:12.796+0000)

I care when the Garen builds item 3078 and is as tanky as me with tank items because of the 30% damage reduction that has no scaling and the free armor in his kit + his free sustain for standing still.

garen is a juggernaut. the entire point of these champions is to be beefy melee carries who deal a lot of damage when theyre on top of you, and who can take a punishement.

id say hes one of the few juggernauts who are working as intended in this damage meta, and arent blown up outright for making it into melee range of the enemy team.

its part of their power budget. in return they dont have mobility (no a 30% ms buff doesnt count for much in a game where more than 50% of the champion pool has dashes, jumps, blinks or other powerful mobility tools available and/or is ranged), or utility.

garen is even a special case amongst juggernauts with an incredibly short ranged kit.

usually even other juggernauts have some abilities that extend past their auto attack range. be it nasus wither, darius q and hook, illaois e, yoricks w and e, olafs or mundos q...

garen has no answer to even champions like Olaf throwing axes at him from a distance. he has no in combat sustain like Darius or Illaoi missing health heals either.

all of this leads to him being allowed to be more upfront tanky even for a jugger. this makes him strong in short trades, but the more drawn out a fight is, the less its going to favour him.

garen can beat a lot of champions in the first 4 seconds of a trade, when he uses his q, spin and has his w up. but after that, when his damage reduction runs out, and he doesnt have anything but basic attacks available to him, most champions who are built for sustained damage can easily turn the fight around.

he has plenty of counterplay. infact, he has so much counterplay that its difficult for him to be relevant against good players, to the point where he never even has seen successful pro play, and it was a massive accomplishment for a few garen 1 tricks to make it past diamond and into the lowest ranks of masters.

i want you to understand what that means. even pre rework Aatrox before his buffs shortly before his rework when he was generally considered a troll pick and one of the worst champions in this game had 1 tricks in masters at the time. for the longest time, garen was literally ranked THE wost champion in the hands of a capable/high ranked player. even after old urgot and other trash tier champions. this was an actual statistic.

all those buffs that he received were justified. especially the addition of the parry to his w.

ankoanko191 votes

The boards dont care about what champion fantasy is. There are so many commenting ''Omg Irelia is mobile and outduels ranged so hard''.. Like yeah? That's her theme..

D357R0Y3R2 votes

wtf are you talking about?

they broke kassadin by buffing his ult cd they broke tryndamere by buffing his E cd

and they will break vayne by buffing Q cd

meanwhile lucian E will remain 22 sec cd rank 1 dash

Beatrice falls1 votes

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wtf are you talking about?

they broke kassadin by buffing his ult cd they broke tryndamere by buffing his E cd

and they will break vayne by buffing Q cd

meanwhile lucian E will remain 22 sec cd rank 1 dash

Tryndamere was a while ago and "compensation buff" because apparently not being allowed to build him AP is a huge issue Kassadin I admit I don't fucking know why they buffed him, but didn't they also buff his Q damage ?

Lucian with item 3508 can dash after every single AA and it's the reason his E has a high CD (I guess, or Riot doesn't want to see him in LC$ lul)

D357R0Y3R1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Beatrice falls,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n1rG72Au,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T12:04:55.637+0000)

Tryndamere was a while ago

a while ago? lmao

Lucian with item 3508

stopped right there https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Lucian

ER is a garbage item that only low elo players build and even then he doesn't have ER in early game where his E has 22 sec cd

Infernape1 votes

Then again Lucian's E reduces in cooldown as he utilises his passive. It's what separates bad Lucians from good ones. Not to mention when its maxed, it has no mana cost.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

Except that it still has a mana cost at lvl 1 where his dash has 22 sec cd

Lucian had 45% win rate in regular and was pick/ban in pro so riot increased his dash cd from 18 sec to 22 sec at rank 1.

they didn't realise that by doing that, they put lucian in the "soloq stomper" tier of champions like zed because their all ins are heavily gated by cooldowns and can be abused easily by pro players

then, they kept and kept buffing his damage, passive crit passive Q and they will buff Q damage again in next patch

this will make him permabanned in soloq, and decent at best in pro then meddler acts like riot knows what they're doing.

Infernape1 votes

The only reason why they're buffing him is because of Worlds. They clearly don't give a shit about casual balance when it comes to esports. Riot wants to see flashier champs at Worlds.

Lucian is perfectly fine, if not a tad strong.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

THAT'S THE PROBLEM it's not goanna do anything for world as long as he has this fucking 22 seconds cd dash at rank 1

meanwhile in soloq he will be permabanned

Infernape1 votes

Rioter 1: "we need flashier champs at worlds buff Lucian, Vayne and leave Kai'Sa untouched"

Rioter 2: "What about casual balance?"

Rioter 1: "fuck em."

Ashe mage AD1 votes

While I can see where you're coming from any dmg nerfs are welcomed but I'd like to see that applied elsewhere, ignite for example.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Meanwhile people say the Aatrox buffs coming in are unnecessary because they don't even play the champ but they don't want him to be decent. Idk how people like richboy Redmercy fail to understand the context and reason for the Aatrox E healing and R AD buff. Aatrox ever since the minion heal got gutted (which I myself wanted to have gutted since it opens up more avenues to buff the actual heal vs champs) has been pretty shit, so much that pros are not even touching him anymore for all I see. Tell me why as a person who loves playing Aatrox both old and new can understand point to point why he's so shit, yet some people just dont want to put an ounce of effort in actually trying to understand the buffs and would rather say its unnecessary or OP.

The issue with Wu is that there are only two regions that have a problem with his balancing: NA and EU. If the Ez thing works out, I would assume Wu would then be first priority as the next one to receive such a thing (but more than what Ez is receiving). But if im just gonna be honest, make his Q a linear skill shot that does the same thing it does now, but it cant apply on hit affects like Storm and Dusk. That way the damage on Q and likely E can come back.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

Idk how people like richboy Redmercy fail to understand the context and reason for the Aatrox E healing and R AD buff.

Its simple... they don't play the champ nor the lane. these buff are great IMO. Aatrox isn't strong during late, these buff will help him without buffing hard his laning.

make his Q a linear skill shot that does the same thing it does now, but it cant apply on hit affects like Storm and Dusk.

If they make it a skillshot, would be better to make him proc on hit affects cause they want him to played/build as bruisers item 3078.

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