Laning against Blitzcrank is hell

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i smell salt.

isn't broken or anything, getting screwed by him simply means u are bad.

tbh. all it takes one grab after level 6 to kill a squishy adc. thresh grabs you a million times more yet only few of his grabs go anywhere because they are not as good initiators.

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i smell salt.

isn't broken or anything, getting screwed by him simply means u are bad.

Yes, bad am i right? dodges 100 hooks...gets hit by one. GG. Just Dodge the spears.

Or cars.

Listen, I think Blitzcrank is actually a balanced pick(his ratios are insane and i think thats why people think he's op), but I think there are other options to explore without completely gutting him. Quite frankly, his hit box can be toned to fit his actual arm. I feel like his passive on his ult could be a more supportive tool. Like each mini bolts zaps an ally for [Inset Heal Value] every [Insert Time]. But I feel like with pull champions you have to be very careful in the way you make their visual look. You don't want people who don't know how to dodge it get away, but you also don't want people who clearly did dodge it to still get punished.

Every person says this, but this isn't really "meaningful counterplay" There are a lot of champions where you can just "stand behind minions" but they can still wreck face even if you do, doesn't make it counter play. Sure a lot of his power is in his Q, but he still has a speed buff and a knock up to rush at you with. In draft you can counter pick him, sure, but in TB where the majority of players play, if you get matched up against Blitzcrank as Janna, Sona, Nami etc, you will lose lane. Blitzcrank isn't scared of them at all, and considering those 3 supports are vastly popular it becomes a problem when you can't do anything. I can also understand the fact that he counters them as well, every champion needs some counter picks. But Blitzcrank has always been a problem. In all honesty, the BIGGEST issue I have with his Q is the hitbox is an incredible lie. I have seen people clearly dodge it and still get pulled. I have seen it fly right past somebody and they still get pulled. Hell even a Leona can have a hard time against Blitzcrank, he just needs to wait until level 6 and even if he does pull her he has a silence to ensure his ADC won't bet focused and he can just LOLOLOLOL away. I have seen it numerous times even in high elo games. Engaging when he misses a hook sometimes works but not everyone has meaningful engage. Take for instance a Janna. She and her ADC have been dodging hooks all game, he misses one but she can't really engage, he still has a knock up in his pocket, and a silence (assuming it is after 6). Yes, Blitcrank is allowed to counter people, but there is still some need to tone down 1) His damage, 2) his hit boxes. His damage is ridiculous without needing any items or beneficial stats through masteries or runes. That is also a massive problem. If he is meant to be a CC bot (lol), that is fine, but take away his damage as well. And no more of this "His power is all in his Q" BS, there are A LOT of champions like that but still have a purpose outside that skill. IMO, he can keep his CC but he needs to lose his base damages.