Will Kha'Zix get changes on the assassin update?

YumaS2Astral·Aug 13, 2016·2 votes·7,645 views

I would really like to know that, even if he isn't considered to be as unhealthy as Rengar, Katarina, and LeBlanc are.

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RiotMeddlerAug 13, 20163 votes

Potentially some small scope stuff, same sort of size as the Fiddle or Annie changes in mid-season. Work on him hasn't started yet though so not guaranteed/can't offer any details.

l Helios lAug 13, 20161 votes

Are you doing changes to "the hunt is on!"? If you're doing heavy changes to Rengar, it seems like you'd gave to address this at some point. It always feels like Rengar benefits much more from winning than Kha'Zix does, imo. Thoughts?

Edit: I remember Bonetooth Necklace changes being teased at, but I'd imagine it's early to offer too much insight, but would that be the link to "the hunt is on!" changes?

KETSU0Aug 13, 20162 votes

Dude k6 gets a 4th evo point while rengar gets a small minor buff to to his vison while hes in a brush.

l Helios lAug 13, 20161 votes

Rengar gets fully upgraded bonetooth with all upgrades it gives. Kha gets either enhanced W or enhanced R. Rengar benefits more than Kha does because Kha's enhanced W is just a better slow in a cone and the R is a slightly longer stealth 3x instead of 2x. I almost never get W unless I think I have to focus on 5v5 scenarios and can't find picks easily.

Dïo BrandöAug 13, 20161 votes

You do realize that by the time the hunt starts, he is either already at 20 stacks or they are about to win, and this is from a Rengar mains perspective I'll have you know

l Helios lAug 13, 20161 votes

From a neutral standpoint, Rengar can go from 0 stacks to 20 instantly if he hits Kha'Zix once. Obviously that's unlikely to be the case, but it shows that a behind Rengar can suddenly get the rewards for snowballing without even necessarily doing anything.

Even so, it's sort of unfair Rengar is capable of getting all benefits of the hunt without even winning while Kha only gets something if he wins. Kha doesn't even have to be in the game for Rengar to get all the benefits from the event, since 20 stacks is basically equal to winning. Without Rengar in the game, Kha doesn't get 4th evolution. Kinda one sided imo.

I also don't think you can polarize all games in that sense with two such alternatives of "I'm super fed or were going to win any sec." Not every game is like that.

Edit: We may end up going in circles here rather than being productive, so I'm OK with agreeing to disagree if you're cool with that.

Off subject of the hunt, I always felt like the mechanic they use for GP's ult upgrades would be good on Kha'Zix so he could get all evolutions in one game. Maybe have it based on killing enemy champions, since you have a character who is suppose to be consuming his prey and evolving based off of that. Obviously that would make it mirror Rengar's current system, but I think it could be more than it is.

Dïo BrandöAug 14, 20161 votes

I agree with you on the fact that it is unfair for Rengar to get the same benefit with/ without Kha'Zix to be in the game, but the reason on why I said that either he already has 20 stacks or about to win is because the requirements for the hunt to start are pretty hard to get to with this Snowball Meta.

Kha'Zix and Rengar have to hit pretty strict requirements, although more lenient for Rengar, for it to start. if you do, then ignore this In case you don't know, Kha'Zix is required to be level 16 and have all evolution points on his abilities and Rengar needs to have at least 12 trophies, and it has to be at the same time.

It's hard to hit both requirements in this Snowball Meta that we are in right now because either the Rengar has taken over the game by constantly getting every/ almost all lanes snowballing, vice versa. The only time I ever get to experience the hunt is when the game goes on for 30-40 min.

I can see the truth in your argument, and where Rengar has slightly an advantage when it comes to the hunt, and I totally agree with you on that, but if you were to compare both champions in without looking at the benefit of the hunt, Kha'Zix beats Rengar at almost every point post-6 ESPECIALLY if he is isolated, which is most of the game.

Other than that fact, I agree with you completely.

l Helios lAug 14, 20161 votes

Yeah in the 1v1 Kha wins. I just wish he could have 4 evos in 1 game without rengar.

Lewd KaiˇSaAug 15, 20161 votes

you cant go from 0 to 20 stacks instantly because the rengar needs 12 for the hunt to start plus they kha kill/assist would of give him another trophy if he was just any old champion so you would basically be at 13 anyways mean it at max can give you 7 bonus trophies. meanwhile kha gets something he cant get

l Helios lAug 15, 20161 votes

We discussed that. Exaggeration on my part.

KhaSam xdOct 19, 20161 votes

No you need 20 stacks of necklace to start the hunt

LostFr0stAug 13, 20162 votes

If stealth does get changes, Kha will have to as well.

WarmanreaperAug 13, 20162 votes

All assassin's are getting changes , some are getting COMPLETE overhaul/reworks

YumaS2AstralAug 13, 20161 votes

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All assassin's are getting changes , some are getting COMPLETE overhaul/reworks

Yes, but do you remember past updates? For example, in the mage update, we got some major changes ( Malzahar Vladimir Cassiopeia ) and some minor changes ( Fiddlesticks Veigar Xerath Viktor )

I would like to know if Kha'Zix will receive Malzahar level of changes or Fiddlesticks level of changes

WarmanreaperAug 13, 20161 votes

He might get a mild edit.. They base it off how OP they are.. people like Zed and katarina are receiving the major changes due to how easy it is to play them and how OP they are .. Kha'zix is only OP if he's super fed , but either way All assassin's are recieveing a high to mild change , no low changes like fiddlediddle.

BloodyTomponAug 13, 20162 votes

Zed will not be receiving major changes. He may receive some smaller ones, but he is very unlikely to receive any large changes.

WarmanreaperAug 13, 20161 votes

He's already been confirmed on the last dev stream that he's receiving MAJOR Changes because his playstyle itself is just too easy for how much damage it does.

Lewd KaiˇSaAug 15, 20161 votes

there has been multipe riot post under assassin update pages saying zed for sure will not be receiving major updates. the major changes for every class updates are basically mini reworks and reworks goal isnt to focus on op champions you can simply fix that with balance changes. the goal of the major class updates is either to make unhealthy champions more healthy and to make champions that are to similar be more diverse. it is basically a way to get attention to champions are are in a bad spot right now but not bad enough that they need a full rework+visual upgrade. the 3 assassins confirmed to get major changes are lb rengar talon and the they said there will be 1 more that is also ap

LostFr0stAug 13, 20161 votes

They said in the Leblanc post that the last of the four was another AP assassin. So Fiddle level.

zlumpyAug 15, 20161 votes

Sees Rioter say small changes like Annie. Immediately goes to "On death Kha'zix claws detach and continue to attack the person that killed him" line of thoughts.