Mid annie deals too much damage right now

doubleguac·1/8/2015, 10:41:50 PM·6 votes·2,439 views

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but annie mid seems to be catching on, and someone needs to say it.

-Disintegrate: 220 +.8 AP on a 4 second cooldown (with no CDR) -Incinerate: 250 +.85 on an 8 second cooldown -Summon Tibbers: 425 +.85 on the initial burst, plus 35 (+.20) per second for up to 45 seconds, plus tibber's auto attack.

Look at those ratios. They are all amazing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know there is not a single other champion in the game who has 3 abilities with over a .8 AP ratio. And her damage is all, by and large, unavoidable, except by totally staying out of her range. And she has low CDs across the board.

Her ult alone deserves a paragraph. Massive base damage. Very high damage per second. It can tank skill shots and tower hits. And it lasts over half of its base cooldown, assuming it isn't killed first. And it can stun in a large radius if she uses her passive with it (which any decent Annie player will try to do).

On top of all that, she has 60 (+.2) damage every time she is auto attacked when her flame shield is on. Basically a thorn mail on steroids, when you factor in her magic pen.

Given how strong her stuns are, and given how low her counterplay is, she deals too much damage.

She either needs higher cooldowns, lower ratios, or more counterplay (remind me why her Q isn't a skill shot?)

And before someone says it: yes, Annie is relatively easy to counterpick. Champions like lux and xerath can completely stay out of her range. This has no bearing on my argument. The fact that she can be counterpicked in lane doesn't tell us anything about whether or not she is holistically balanced and healthy for the game.

16 Comments

Jeije1/8/2015, 10:57:50 PM7 votes

The real question is: WHY Annie mid is coming back?

Because of this thing -> Akali

That thing -> Zed

Also this thing -> Katarina

And kinda this thing too -> Leblanc

Not really a mid player myself, just what I see.

The Fornication1/8/2015, 10:47:02 PM5 votes

Sounds more like you just got stomped by an Annie and are salty. Her EXTREMELY short range is the counter. if you get in range of her spells thats on you.

Garens Harem1/8/2015, 11:18:11 PM3 votes

short ranged and 0 mobility don't tell me 'muh flash plays'

yes 625 is short ranged in teamfights

Gragas Gragas Gragas Gragas

ChargeItDownMid1/8/2015, 11:14:54 PM2 votes

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DJ Siamak1/8/2015, 10:52:31 PM2 votes

The thought process behind Annie seems to be that you either have to play a mage with 500 billion range or you're gonna die.

AtheosisX1/8/2015, 11:27:31 PM1 votes

Annie is fine.

StoryDuck1/8/2015, 10:49:57 PM1 votes

Yeah, play Xerath or Lux and watch her cry form the poke. She can't really handle long range poke well. That said Annie can be very powerful versus assassins and short range casters because of her stun.

Majidesuka1/8/2015, 10:59:02 PM1 votes

Did you guys ever survived Annie Bot?

Rebonack1/8/2015, 11:26:09 PM1 votes

Annie's ratios used to be a lot lower (0.6 on her two nukes, 0.7 on Tibbers) and her base damage was MUCH higher.