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Rage/Phantom Blade is ridiculous as a passive/can be abused easily, regardless of what item it's on

Seenan·2/15/2019, 2:58:32 AM·3 votes·1,541 views

Imo, should take double the stacks to apply for ranged champions or something. Cuts certain abuse cases...or just delete it cause champs like Vayne can straight-up forego crit and just stack onhit like BORK, AD, lifesteal and be nigh unkillable by anyone without hard ccing her twice (assuming they have QSS too)...or by stacking grievous wounds on more people on your team (which may or may not work?)...or just straight up nuking her before she kills you. Hell, the build without crit is probably BETTER because she doesn't have to rely on RNG assuming no 100% crit.

Idc about your item diversity, getting hit twice if it's stacked and being chunked for 14-20% of my max hp is dumb (counting BORK as well and accounting for having some armor). That means less than 10 hits and I'm dead if it's a 20% hp chunk...which for people with sticking power and high attack speed, wont take long.

'Don't get close to them' guess I can't be a tank cause either way, there's gonna be a (team)fight in the match. Get creative with items sure, but not with stupid passives like Phantom Blade. Imo, it's an unhealthy mechanic for this game, considering how many champs can abuse it (and how many ones are, currently).

Same idea for Yi, but at least Yi is melee and doesn't have low cd gap-closers other than his Q after a kill/assist... Jax is also strong enough without it but can get it if he wishes. Also lacks true damage for Jax. It's pretty much a direct issue with fast attacking true damage champions like Yi or Vayne (unless I'm missing champions of course). Seen plenty of posts where, let's say, a Yi did more true damage than regular damage to kill a champion. Same for Vayne. Kayle is squishy with it, but she can shred shit up when she gets it.

There's also the fact that it gives a miniature LW passive, so she even gets armor pen before she (if she) buys Mortal Reminder or LDR. This item is literally the cutthroat for a tank assuming a champion can abuse it. Judging by a damage chart in a previous game I played vs Vayne with Guinsoo's, true damage was almost 35-40% of her damage to champions. That's stupid considering true damage can only really be 'helped' by having more hp (but here comes BORK to heal her extra), and max hp true damage can't be countered whatsoever.

I like Vayne and her tank killing concept, but Guinsoo's makes me wanna ban her every game (even more-so than banning Lucian...) when I play anyone that can't kill her first/consistently. It really does not help if my team does no damage because they picked damage champs and fed, itemized like shit, don't pick good champions for the game, etc.

I'm not saying Yi or Vayne are an issue or an op case, I'm saying Phantom Blade is.

23 Comments

xDogMeatx2/15/2019, 3:03:45 AM2 votes

bork and double hits are the issue here nerf bork by half. make double hits after every 3 (or 4 if you yi has it) autos when stacked. make bloodrazor/bork unique passive. (on hit melees) plus conqueror pretty much makes it a mini vayne W in itself.

Gallows madness2/15/2019, 3:09:03 AM1 votes

Phantom blade is pretty strong but it has to ramp up first, like how it currently works for Yi.

The yi has to be in combat and have it fully stacked to even shred also shutting him down early is the best way to go. If you let him power farm his jungle he will just go mid game and get a 13 minute 2nd item rageblade just because people let him. He is the best late game champion there is in terms of dueling.

Vayne with rage blade is quite a handful but the thing is her HP % dmg is fixed so, It's not too bad and doesn't double up on that dmg but it does proc it faster with it.

Setting her behind is your best case. She has one of the weakest laning phases bot lane but it also depends on the supports because they play in a role.

Also have you ever fought a late game KogMaw ? he DOUBLES his % hp DMG with guinsoo late game. He is no joke. And he doubles the effect of wits end if he builds it. It's pretty nutty. I think he is more of an abuser than even vayne is.

Shiroe Okazaki2/15/2019, 4:10:32 AM1 votes

Vaynes w needs either a cooldown on how often the same target can have true damage delt to him. I get that her job is a tank melter but.... SHES MELTING MORE THAN JUST TANKS RIGHT NOW MCOMNHG. And yi. Rage blade just simply shouldnt help his passive. Cause after 3 stacks its Auto passive auto passive auto passive auto passive. :( oh and the item is phantom dancer :P. That item should be reverted to what it was. i think it was 12% damage reduction instead of shielding. I UNDERSTANDO YOUR FRUSTRATIO

Alzon2/15/2019, 5:56:17 AM1 votes

Or just have it stack/ maintain stacks only when autoing enemy champions. So it can’t be prepped on minions, just like the new Conqueror on the PBE.

Infernape2/15/2019, 6:30:34 AM1 votes

I find it funny how Rageblade removes the weakness of having three hit passives.

5050BS2/15/2019, 6:44:58 AM1 votes

Rageblade is just broken on all who build it. Riot needs to just remove it from the game.

Paroe2/15/2019, 7:12:04 AM1 votes

@thread

Rageblade phantom blade is crit for on-hit effects, and its in a good place right now as far as on hit effects are concerned. Most abuse cases come from the form of true damage on hit, which is a different issue altogether.