Can we maybe lower Fiora's burst a little?

General Esdeath ··25 votes·1,150 views

I don't think it's right that a Fiora can burst someone down to 50% HP with one auto or Q just because it hit a vital. Why was she left alone while Rengar gets nerfed for the 4th time? She has higher winrate, pickrate, and ban rate.

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Asayake 5150glow6 votes

Because she can't gapcloser on you as easily as Rengar.

If you wanna nerf Fiora's late game burst, you gotta make her bulky enough to survive an ADC or assassin's lategame damage. Which she currently cannot.

Her mid-game burst could use toning down though, although that is also because most ADC's are weak midgame.

General Esdeath 6 votes

Her Q is on a an 8 second CD at max level, and hitting ANYTHING (not even a vital) gives her a 60% reduction. Rengar needs a bush or his R. And Fiora can build tanky with item 3071 item 3065 item 3072 item 3812 item 3748 item 3047

Asayake 5150glow4 votes

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Her Q is on a an 8 second CD at max level, and hitting ANYTHING (not even a vital) gives her a 60% reduction. Rengar needs a bush or his R. And Fiora can build tanky with item 3071 item 3065 item 3072 item 3812 item 3748 item 3047

Yes, but have you seen the range? If Fiora gets near your ADC with that range, your ADC should not being trying to match Fiora's splitpush.

That's a tanky build, but it's actually squishier than the normal Fiora build because of the Death's Dance, and thus it's actually pretty squishy. Literally 0 resists besides Tabis and SV, you'd be melted by anyone AD.

General Esdeath 2 votes

You can replace SV with armor, I just see more AP top laners like Rumble Lissandra Kennen lately so most Fiora's get SV

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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You can replace SV with armor, I just see more AP top laners like Rumble Lissandra Kennen lately so most Fiora's get SV

They get SV to amp their heals, because people like big numbers.

Replacing SV with armor aint gonna do shit either, it'll just get you oneshot by Brand and support Zyra.

General Esdeath 1 votes

If they don't have AP you don't need it

Elkington VI6 votes

I would rather they lower her innate sustain. Ravenous Hydra and Spirit Visage are core items on her anyway. I fail to see why she gets both crazy burst AND on-hit sustain, while most champs have to either choose between the two or give up mobility.

Tranoze1 votes

the sustain already nerfed compare to ss3~4 item 3074 only apply 50% lifesteal to it's damage. which is why everyone build item 3748 now

General Esdeath 1 votes

item 3072

Tranoze1 votes

item 3812 is much more efficient i dont see any mele champ beside yasuo actually build item 3072

MissingKayo1 votes

Tryndamere? Yi? Xin?

Legacy Hydralpha4 votes

I'd rather reduce her shitloads of healing and make her more based off avoiding damage through her dashes and riposte. Also, why does the duelist have an ult that heals her team? Perhaps give her less base AD with a lower Q CD, and reduce (or even replace) her ultimate.

doodlebob6662 votes

they should make it so that hitting vitals consecutively increases the damage, but lower the base so a fiora who manages to consistantly hit them is rewarded, but she can't outtrade you in lane by only hitting vitals facing her

Critmaster Garen8 votes

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they should make it so that hitting vitals consecutively increases the damage, but lower the base so a fiora who manages to consistantly hit them is rewarded, but she can't outtrade you in lane by only hitting vitals facing her

thats just going to push her towards tanky builds.

NotSpecialDude1 votes

how about make the vital's damage scale with bonus ad?

Granted I don't really feel Fiora needs to be on the chopping block, but if I had to make a suggestion this would be it.

Declareas3 votes

It already does scale with bonus AD though.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

As if she isn't already doing it lmao. BC,Ravenous into tank is pretty much all fioras build. Maybe MAYBE a bloodthirster if necessary.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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As if she isn't already doing it lmao. BC,Ravenous into tank is pretty much all fioras build. Maybe MAYBE a bloodthirster if necessary.

http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora/Top

the bruiser build isnt great anymore since they changed the scaling on her passive. her usual build is actually pretty squishy.

i otherwise i blame the fervor change for buffing the bruiser build on her again. since it was changed from on-hit damage to bonus ad, it now factos into her passive and allows her to deal more item independent damage.

Oelyk1 votes

Not going to lie, I thought it said bust instead of burst.

On the other hand, I think she's fine as is.

JoeMG3 votes

Yeah...her bust seems ok to me ;)

JoeMG1 votes

Agree. I know she's not broken, but she's always seemed a little too good to me. I wish the grand duelist wasn't as successful at 1v2s as 1v1s.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Well she IS broken. And that's not only me saying it. Two or three days ago on Solas stream (master elo) pretty much both teams talked about fiora because fiora was complaining about how "busted" gragas is and both teams except that fiora ofc agreed that fiora is broken af and has NO losing matchup, not even bad matchups. Everything is a skill matchup and there will be a point you need an entire team to stop her.

JoeMG1 votes

Ok phew, as long as it's not just a minority opinion!

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