Every single one of my games is completely decided by bottom lane

Yenn·Feb 28, 2019·2 votes·1,059 views

Bottom lane feeding generates way too much gold for the winning team, which is utter nonsense, because the outcome is generally 100% reliant on which of the four players is the worst.

Once bottom lane gets ahead, it just snowballs out of control until the game ends with the winner having some stupid score like 20-5-8.

Some agency really needs to be spread out to other lanes, or reduce the income generated by winning bottom lane (i.e. by changing kill gold distribution)

9 Comments

KFCeytronFeb 28, 20193 votes

I've spectated a few high-level matches lately where an ADC did well but couldn't manage to win against a fed enemy jungler or top, especially when all of the ADC's teammates are doing poorly rather than just one or two. A fed ADC can be very effective, but they still rely on peel and CC to set up kills.

YennFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I've spectated a few high-level matches lately where an ADC did well but couldn't manage to win against a fed enemy jungler or top, especially when all of the ADC's teammates are doing poorly rather than just one or two. A fed ADC can be very effective, but they still rely on peel and CC to set up kills.

I'm not talking about the winning bottom lane 'doing well,' I'm talking about the carry having a ridiculous score like 20-2. At that point, they can basically 2-3 shot everything.

KFCeytronFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I'm not talking about the winning bottom lane 'doing well,' I'm talking about the carry having a ridiculous score like 20-2. At that point, they can basically 2-3 shot everything.

I think I saw a Lucian a couple days ago who ended something like 15-8, with a loss. Not quite 20-2, but still up there. I'm not saying ADC is useless when fed - far from it; they're supposed to be the carry - but I think other roles have some agency, enough to stand a chance at having an impact.

I'm gonna spectate some more right now while I snack compulsively. I'll keep an eye out for the phenomenon you're describing.

OtterlyLostFeb 28, 20191 votes

You wont find it. I'm finding that Solo laners and Jungle have more agency and control over the game than even a fed ADC and that carrying from the ADC position pretty much requires you to play perfectly while carrying from mid/top/jungle literally only requires you to kill the fed ADC, an extremely easy feat since peel oriented supports have been weakened severely.

KFCeytronFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I'm not talking about the winning bottom lane 'doing well,' I'm talking about the carry having a ridiculous score like 20-2. At that point, they can basically 2-3 shot everything.

Just spectated a Challenger match where both ADCs were pretty even in K/D while top and mid seemed to be getting things done. However, the ADC on the winning side did the most champ damage in the match by far, which was surely important, although it didn't seem like she was getting much done while I was watching.

Match for reference: https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/219822320

rujitraFeb 28, 20191 votes

Maybe you should help your bottom lane so they don’t go 2-20 then.

StarmfangyFeb 28, 20192 votes

Yeah snowballing is a big problem. I have one question though, will you quit league or keep playing only for riot to ignore anything you say for the next 5 years? This game is loosing players and im glad because riot made this game into a drug, a bad one.

Metal JannaFeb 28, 20192 votes

This is how mid has been for about a year now. League of early snowballing assassins and early hyper roaming mages who hit 6 and then stomp the botlane. Instead of fixing mid's absurd pacing, they just put the shoe on the other foot by buffing the speed at which marksmen come online. When what they should have done is nerf mid's Time to One-Combo, they instead buffed bot's TtOC.

YennFeb 28, 20191 votes

This isn't a problem in Challenger, because people don't feed badly enough that the ADC transitions into the mid game with a 3000-4000 gold advantage over everyone else.