A message to everyone who thinks that every sensible person who plays League doesn't enjoy it:

Kairoptra··40 votes·9,125 views

You are an ass.

Now, let me get to explaining why:

This is not by any means your garden-variety disrespect. You are straight-up insulting the intelligence of everyone who plays League, including those that don't like it. You are saying that everyone around you has absolutely no capacity to have a different perspective than you, and that the idea that anyone wouldn't share your opinion is utterly asinine. You are saying that the people around you are so utterly simple-minded that they have no choice but to either agree with you or get ostracized. You are denying that every player of League is on the same level of intelligence and cognitive ability as you, and therefore cannot, in any capacity relating to League, find enjoyment in it despite any personal experiences, differing opinions, or likes and dislikes.

We live in a day and age where ideas are spread and accepted at a greater rate than ever before thanks to the internet. However, we still encounter the same problems that we did before: A refusal to acknowledge the intelligence of others. A refusal to show a sense of empathy; to give a person the benefit of the doubt that maybe there is a legitimate, logical reason that they like the game that you can come to understand, even if you don't agree, and that perhaps they understand your reasoning as well, but simply choose to disagree.

It's time that a lot of people give consideration to the idea that maybe people still like League not because there's something that they don't understand, but rather because there's something about them as a person that you can respect that makes them like the game.

That's why it pains me so much to see all these posts:

"Why does Riot never listen to the community?"

Because those that share the same opinions as the OP don't speak for the entire community. Riot has to perform their own investigation before changing anything to see if there's truly a problem. What may be an issue to you may not be to someone else. Besides, the only ones who say anything are the ones who want to complain. If the content ones stay understandably silent since they have no reason to speak out, then we have no idea what the split is.

"This is the worst League has ever been"

That isn't fact. That's your personal opinion. Other people may think differently and may have a very good reason for thinking differently. That doesn't mean you have to change your views. In the words of Aristotle, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." You don't have to agree with a given opinion, but you should recognize that the other person is a human being, too, and is therefore completely capable of forming their own opinion through sound logic.

"Nobody has fun playing League anymore"

That is your experience, and possibly that of a few of your friends and possibly some internet personalities or esports players, and I respect that. However, you have to understand that those who disagree with you have their own experiences which may be vastly different than yours.

I'm not asking you all to stop arguing and just agree to disagree. But I do want you to at least give the other person some thought and treat them like a human being: equal to yourself.

34 Comments

Tahminatrix 5 votes

"This is the worst league has ever been" You can bring statistics that help support that such as less viewers in pro games but that could be from other factors aswell.

"nobody has fun playing league anymore" ya we need a survey, but for the most part I normally just see people complaining about the current meta, but this could be a vocal minority.

Sirsir7 votes

People have complained about the current meta_ for the entire time this game has existed_. Well, at least since S3 when I joined, but I've heard horror stories about S1 jax and such, and would be shocked if that didn't earn some complaints

Kairoptra7 votes

You can bring in statistics of lower twitch viewers, lower monthly players, etc. However, with that data, you can only prove that twitch viewership, the number of players, etc. has gone down. Correlation is not causation. Just because you started to have less fun with the game at the same time that some others did and the statistics also just so happened to suffer a down-turn does not actually directly suggest that League has taken a turn for the worst. It could be, but you don’t know that. It could be any number of factors: better games may have cropped up, people may be falling under the influence of Internet personalities and that is over-shadowing their ability to form opinions on their own, etc.

To say that there is a way to determine the factual quality of a game through the use of statistics is to deny the fact that quality is subjective and that different people have different standards of quality that they hold Riot to.

Tahminatrix 4 votes

Actually statistics can be completely supportive of the fact that quality is subjective because you are trying to get as big of a test group as possible in order to obtain every perspective there is.

Like I said, other factors could go into play with this and there could be a vocal minority.

PowerSlave9935 votes

How can you enjoy the game that has been ruined? How can you enjoy it after seeing that China is taking over Riot and putting faster games?

You might enjoy because you don't care about ranks, you play for fake fun or something else.

This game just isn't fun with it's current state. Everybody knows that, stop covering the truth...

Kairoptra8 votes

You see, this is why people like you are asses.

You refuse to give consideration to the thought that maybe people have reasons that are completely understandable. Instead, you choose to insult the intelligence of League players everywhere, rather than taking a second to legitimately sit down and listen to a person's explanation.

Just because you can't think of a reason that you think is good to enjoy the game doesn't mean that someone else can't. I'm not asking you to agree, but show some empathy and appreciate that other people are capable of logical thought.

XdeathitselfX3 votes

go play fortnite if you find this season ok

Kairoptra3 votes

Um... wouldn't you say something similar to that to someone who doesn't like the game? If I like the game, why would I go play something else?

To recap, not only is your response weak in that it addresses none of my points, but is also completely nonsensical, or otherwise too convoluted for it to be a good drive-by comeback. If I don't understand immediately, how are you supposed to look cool (not that you would anyway, since I'm actually trying to have a debate, meanwhile you're just trying to insult me instead of telling me why I'm wrong)?

boba drinker 3 votes

You see, that's an opinion. Your opinion of thinking people are asses is nothing more than your opinion lol. We can all agree League right now is not NEARLY as fun as it was a couple years back. The state League right now is almost unbearable. Sure that's not a FACT, but it's a popular opinion. Why do you think so many people take the time here and bash on League? It's simple. The majority of League players here simply do not enjoy League as much. I'm not saying everyone hates League, but you can't just go call people an ass because they're voicing a popular opinion. We can say that you're being delusional and a dumbass for thinking League is good right now.

Kairoptra2 votes

You're completely misunderstanding the point of the post, or else you didn't read it all. My point is that the people who are saying opinions are wrong, even though it's subjective, are the asses. We're on the same side in that respect. Unfortunately, that's where the similarities end.

The entire point of the post was to call out people who believe that there is no logical way to find enjoyment in the game and state their opinion as fact, and in doing so insult the intelligence of all the League players out there. If you don't fit this description, then move along; this message isn't for you. However, you seemingly go out of your way to contradict yourself later in your comment.

You say things like "Sure that's not a FACT, but it's a popular opinion" and "I'm not saying everyone hates League, but you can't just go call people an ass because they're voicing a popular opinion", to "We can all agree League right now is not NEARLY as fun as it was a couple years back" and "We can say that you're being delusional and a dumbass for thinking League is good right now". At times, you seem so understanding and empathetic, but you're also saying that it's completely fine to say that anyone who doesn't share your opinion must have something wrong with them. There's nothing wrong with sharing your opinion. However, I fail to see how anyone doesn't draw the line at stating that opinion as fact or otherwise going to lengths to insult the intelligence of every League player out there.

Finally, the claim that most of the player base isn't content with the game is completely unsubstantiated. You have no statistics that directly suggest so and have no means of acquiring them. The Boards are a small minority. That is not an excuse for Riot to ignore them, but it is an extremely obvious sign for them to take everything with a grain of salt. Besides, the only reason people come online and talk to Riot is to complain. This is understandable because the ones who are content don't have any reason to speak out; they're too busy enjoying the game. Unless everyone speaks out (or we get a good sample size), then we have no idea what the split is. Is it popular on the Boards to say that the game has gone downhill? Obviously, but don't act like even a thousand upvotes mean a damn thing in a sea of literally millions of players.

theChibiTina4 votes

Some people are gonna read the first sentence and nothing else and just down vote based solely on that. I don't know if this is the worst league has ever been. I've seen a few people scattered about saying ardent censor meta was worse, but I wasn't around for that to know. However, league definitely isn't in a good spot, that's for sure. A lot of people, like myself, are hoping things turn around and get better in preseason or else league might just kill itself. Others are frustrated that they should even have to wait that long and I can't really blame them. I just hope Riot really does fix things. I love this game and have so much fun (apart from the toxic community that forces me to play only if I have friends online) that I don't want to see it die. So here's hoping for the best. :)

Vlada Cut4 votes

I stopped caring long ago. The community showed me darkness in which I have gazed into, never to see the so called "light" people talk about. The toxicity which community in a whole brings to everyone else ruins experience for others, I know it did ruin mine. I've got reasons and rights to despise the community, but not in a harassing way they have despised me, and so do I have reasons to disagree with you.

Powaplayer3 votes

this game is trash simply because they don't ban trolls in ranked the end of it if they ban trolls the toxicity will be reduced and people will be happy the end.

KindredAndWolf3 votes

Here is my OBJECTIVE TRUTH... The game sucks now that Evelynn has no ad ratios. For ME the game is the worst ever. I’m not telling other people how to feel, and ONLY AN ASS WOULD ASSUME SO.

Kairoptra3 votes

If my description doesn’t fit you, then obviously I’m not talking to you. If you make it known that it’s just your opinion by saying things like “I think” or “I feel”, then you’re not insulting anyone. Therefore, if you go to these lengths to imply that it’s just your own thoughts and feelings, then this post is not directed at you.

KindredAndWolf1 votes

{quoted}

If my description doesn’t fit you, then obviously I’m not talking to you. If you make it known that it’s just your opinion by saying things like “I think” or “I feel”, then you’re not insulting anyone. Therefore, if you go to these lengths to imply that it’s just your own thoughts and feelings, then this post is not directed at you.

Sure sure sure fallacy is fallacy

Kairoptra3 votes

What are you talking about? I said “to everyone who thinks that every sensible person who plays League doesn't enjoy it”. You made it clear that that wasn’t you. Logically speaking, that must mean that this message is not directed at you. Where’s the fallacy?

KindredAndWolf1 votes

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What are you talking about? I said “to everyone who thinks that every sensible person who plays League doesn't enjoy it”. You made it clear that that wasn’t you. Logically speaking, that must mean that this message is not directed at you. Where’s the fallacy?

lol...

Kairoptra1 votes

Y'know, I can't help you if you don't explain yourself. If you want me to understand you, then you actually have to try and communicate. Otherwise, I don't know why you're still here.

KindredAndWolf1 votes

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Y'know, I can't help you if you don't explain yourself. If you want me to understand you, then you actually have to try and communicate. Otherwise, I don't know why you're still here.

Bro, I’m just bumping your thread for visibility. I’m just acting like an ass to do it

Rathar Dashing7 votes

False, her auto attacks scale with 100% total AD.

Raiyza1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Malicious Metal3 votes

Well, I still enjoy the game a ton.

Maybe it also has to do with the fact that I mostly play with friends...Which gives you an entirely new layer of enjoyment and appreciation for the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ifneth2 votes

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Well, I still enjoy the game a ton.

Maybe it also has to do with the fact that I mostly play with friends...Which gives you an entirely new layer of enjoyment and appreciation for the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In fairness, as a Morde main, even if it were true that ‘League is awful reeeeeee,’ then your necessarily inherent masochism would cloud your judgment. :P

LightningShado2 votes

True.

LegitBusinessman2 votes

I don't wanna be 'that guy' but the instant kill 100-0 in .5 seconds probably isn't appealing to the strategically minded player but rather appears to more uh... simple minded people.

Raiyza2 votes

Theres a difference between just stating an opinion and sharing a recurring opinion.

The fact is this: a huge percentage of players hate what the game has become, myself included. It is an opinion, but it is an opinion of many.

Another fact, and you cannot deny this one, is that League is ruined. What made this game so special and amazing is now dead. There is so little strategy now because its more like call of duty. Search and just start firing. Who can burst first?

Thats not fun for a game like league.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

What you are saying applies to basically everything. If you disagree with me or like something I don't like, then you're wrong and you're an asshole. It just tends to stick out more in gaming communities because of the competitive nature of the games.

Leetri1 votes

It's pathetic the boards downvote people simply for stating that they enjoy playing the game. They make it pretty clear that differing opinions are not welcome in this place, then they wonder why Riot doesn't want to talk to them.

Tetsip1 votes

I don't know why you would feel the need to make a post stating your opinion on people who deal in absolutes though...

That's all it really is, a huge bulk of the player base is disappointed with this season, and that's just how some people talk about it. It isn't correct in a literal sense... clearly people are still enjoying the game or there would be no one playing it, but that's simply the way they talk about things. Saying they're an ass doesn't have any ground either, some people have black and white views on things and that doesn't make them the brightest, but it doesn't make them anymore of an ass than someone else.

I think what you're really frustrated with is people who are trying to force their opinions on you, which... I mean this is the internet, I would recommend just getting over that :X

Jashin chan1 votes

This game is never gonna be good just like every other game or movie or anything. People are complaining every year no matter what happens and what gets changed. I enjoy the game just as many others who doesn't complain on the forums. And you just don't need to care about what others say if don't come to the forums then you don't see people complaining about people enjoying rhe game and you don't feel bad.

SanKakU1 votes

Indeed, it's rare I see someone actually trying to be logical on these boards. Nice lecture.

Teridax681 votes

I agree with the basic premise. There's a critical lack of empathy on the internet, and on discussion forums like these, it tends to lead to people shouting at each other because they refuse to acknowledge points of view other than their own. In matters like League where most topics of discussion are inherently subjective, the best one can do is describe whether there seems to be a player consensus on a particular matter, and even then, that does not discount the opinions of players who disagree.

On the actual topic, though, I do think it is possible for sensible people to play League and not enjoy it, because loss aversion is a real thing, which is why we have the sunk cost fallacy. Many players have described how they continue to play League even after losing their love for it, sometimes even actively hating it, simply because they've devoted so much time and so many resources that they cannot bring themselves to leave. Even the most sensible of people develop habit and attachment, and League deliberately capitalizes on this to generate player retention. Of course, this doesn't mean that everyone who plays League hates it, or even that the majority does, but it does mean that frequency of play and enjoyment don't correlate perfectly with each other.

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