Sylas makes far, far better use of Swain's ultimate than Swain could ever dream of. It's quite simply just broken on him.
I suggest it be tweaked to start with 0 1 fragment but allow fragment collection on champion death from the moment he steals Swain's ultimate.
Frosted Tips8 votesI personally think your idea is a little too harsh, but what if it were time related, like every 5 seconds after stealing his Ultimate you gain 1 stack so at 25 seconds after stealing it you gain all 5 stacks or it could just sit at a flat 3 stacks or something like that.
Z3Sleeper7 votesAnything but how it currently is lol. This works too.
BeatzBoyFTW6 votesThe collecting fragment part comes from Swain's passive, not from his ult. So basically, Swain's stolen ult should always deal damage of 0 Soul Fragments.
If you didn't know, Darius's stolen ult is also forced to deal damage with 0 Bleed stacks on enemies, so the similar concepts makes sense.
xDogMeatx1 votesbecause the bleed (darius) is in his passive. he cant copy passives in the passive corner but can copy ults with the passive inside it in a plastic bag. (think jax passive he can use the ult and the passive but cant gain attack speed from jax passive.) unless... in a blind pick a mirror lane sylas could take advantage of that bleed opportunity.
Votable Jester1 votesI was trying to get rid of the level 16 Darius ult for a while when I accidentally snagged it -_-
AirKingNeo4 votesor he just copies the fragment count Swain has whenever he takes it.
Flawless Fetus1 votesThis is the best solution. Tbh, I thought this is how it worked anyway. Lol
Tahminatrix 3 votesThe hp drain is already good enough to be worth stealing as sylas….a lot of swain`s power is shoved into his R.
Mr Mxyzptlk1 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mOQdUqld,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-24T07:19:15.812+0000)
The hp drain is already good enough to be worth stealing as sylas….a lot of swain`s power is shoved into his R.
His R is actually pretty weak unless you're at max stacks. I would say most of, if not all of swains power is in his passive.
SociaI Justice3 votesSylas makes far, far better use of Swain's ultimate than Swain
so basically the same as ... I don't know malphite, amumu, ashe, miss fortune, lucian ... the list goes on forever. that's what the champion was meant for famalama.
xDogMeatx1 votesexcept morde or darius or illaoi namely juggs ultimates counter him hard. since it works better on them. (while garen......is a 2nd W execute)
Votable Jester1 votesWhy does it not work well with Mord's ult?
xDogMeatx1 votesIts not the ult to be worried about. Its the fact if facing morde himself when he lanes vs you then your kinda screwed due to hard shielding if you get someone though (adc or tank) then your set but if you fail its a wasted ult that has kinda 0 damage in itself.
Beerstein2 votesThis can be said about a lot of ults. Amumus entire kit is basically landing a good ult, Sylas can take his entire identity and hit harder than amumu does with it.
Z3Sleeper1 votesNot quite the same case. Sylas can make good use of it and will naturally do more damage with it, but he's not gonna tank like Amumu does afterwards.
That's actually the problem with him taking Swain's tho. It gives him bonus health and the drain effect that allows him to tank while dealing tons of damage followed by a massive AoE nuke.
As a "bruiser mage", it's literally the perfect ult for him.
0 Hogapu2 votesWhen we are at it, Sylas' R shouldn't work with Vayne's like it currently does.
Why should Sylas become invisible when, literally, Vayne's ult grants it to Tumble (and not to the Q spell) ?
ACTIVE: For a duration, Vayne gains bonus attack damage, triples Night Hunter Night Hunter's bonus, and grants Tumble Tumble Cooldown reduction icon 50% cooldown reduction along with Twilight Shroud old2 invisibility for 1 second. DURATION: 8 / 10 / 12 BONUS AD: 20 / 30 / 40 While active, whenever a champion damaged by Vayne dies within 3 seconds, Final Hour's duration is extended by 4 seconds, up to a maximum of the original duration.
Shouldn't e happen.
The Volcano1 votesTumble is Vayne's Q so it's the only thing that makes sense unless they made it so Sylas gets Vayne's Q while Final Hour is on.
5050BS2 votesNo its that Riots code is when you activate Q is when you get the Stealth so Sylas using his Q and gets the Stealth.
Its not coded to when she uses Tumble.
TSM Polarbear2 votesAnother Stupid champion design by riot...
D3m37r11 votes
ult can also turn 
into paper. Idk if that was changed but it's one very specific scenario. No need to change it.
Pommel Knight1 votes
it can also turn into a fucking monster if she has her passive up.
Davaken1 votes
Sejuani's passive only gives 10% of what it used to give after the nerfs, so not really a thing anymore. But yeah, was fun playing Trundle and stealing nearly 200 Armor and Mr
Wolfalisk3181 votesAnyone ever seen Kirby copy Captain Olimar in Smash 4? It's not fair. The way the copied ability functions is better than Olimar's entire kit.
JeaneGreene1 votesGood thing that Kirby is trash tier in other aspects...
The difference between the two is that Sylas’s is point and click while Kirby you need to land a laggy low range grab (which Olimar has the tools to punish and convert a kill).
TengenToppaGnar1 votesSylas makes far, far better use of Swain's ultimate than Swain could ever dream of. It's quite simply just broken on him.
I suggest it be tweaked to start with 0 fragments but allow fragment collection on champion death from the moment he steals Swain's ultimate.
I'm with the time-pass OR, gets 1 stack per level of his ulti. Since their is a time-limit on how long he can keep an ultimate, and in pro-play, death's aren't super duper common.
Infernape1 votesEasiest change would be making Sylas have as many soul fragments as Swain when he casts Hijack on him.
If Swain has 1 fragment when Sylas ults him, Sylas has one fragment. If Swain has 3 when he gets Hijacked, Sylas has 3 etc. etc.
xDelightifyx3 votesor u just give him the base ult, without any fragments because sylas is already way to strong? The concept of stealing ultimates was stolen from dota2 (rubik) , but even in dota 2 it is not close to be as op as it is in lol. Why is sylas allowed to put a new, in many cases better scaling in the ultimates? Sometimes he deals more dmg than the actual owner of the ult. That is juat risiculously stupid. If he already has the broken ability to steal ultimates (point and click btw.... 🤦♂️) then he should only be able to use EXACTLY the ult he stole. For swains ult that would mean that he has 0 souls, cause he cant collect souls. If he uses caits it should deal only as much dmg as cait would deal. If he uses brand ult, it should only deal as much dmg as brand does. He should be forced to have their scaling and current stats on his ult. And damn do smth abouth this shield. Supports lost their ability to shield properly, but sylas is allowed to? I feel the bias riot.
Infernape1 votesSylas is an AP fighter with no AP fighter itemisation. He'd need a shit ton of survivability built into his kit to be viable.
CauseSCIENCE1 votesRoA and Zhonyas work fine for me. I personally dont see the point in investing in Spirit Visage or something of the like, but u do u
hrooza dota 1 votessylas is strong but not in his ulti... his base kit is what truly carry him. unlike rubick he is not a support so getting the exact stat of ultis he steal mean his whole kit need to be support kit.
also rubick and sylas ulti have many diff aspects including the fact dota abilitys are stronger without much scaling in almost all cases (most scaling ability's are passives that rubick cant still btw) compared to lol where a lot of abilitys are need a combo/spamable and weak if you are behind in items.
and rubick can steal and effectively use spamable abilitys.
and rubick steal ulti with all its effects from other abilitys such as luna/shadow fiend ults.
Jesus is Savior1 votesTweaking it would probably mean they have to re-code Sylas. And they said they wouldn't re-code Sylas when new champs are released etc. The champions themselves have to be scripted in a way that lets Sylas make use of them.
yay pink1 votesSwain can't even use his ult at 0 fragments, so if he gets Darius ult with 0 stacks, why not just give him 1 fragment and call it a day! The minimum basically.
THE RlVER KlNG1 voteshe should just have whatever amount swain had when he stole it be that 0 or 5
if thats too weak i dont see why he cant gain soul fragments when a champion dies near him
Lovelle1 votesYou should see him with Mundo's ult while he's building like this
.
It is pants-on-head stupid to play against.
Dethflash1 votesi would say you get swain ult with how ever many fragments swain has at the time when sylas stole swain ult. if swain has 2 fragments then sylas gets 2 fragments with swain ult
5050BS1 votesThis one I agree on. He steal Darius Ult and gets zero stacks so it is weak but with Swain ult he gets MAX stacks WTF?