still exists. Kha's passive and ult synergize far too well with it. This is literally the reason you nerfed his passive.
And now we get this to promote the new skin:
Passive - Unseen Threat BONUS ATTACK DAMAGE RATIO 0.2 ⇒ 0.4
Can't say we all didn't see this coming though.
Monstermushmush55 votesBecuz Worlds.
saltran1 votesYeah, I will be surprised if he's even picked once on Worlds considering that he has been ignored on pro play since his R evolve was nerfed.
But you guys dont watch pro play so you unironically think that he will be played for this buffs.
Lucario562335 votesHere's your answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
kargish15 votes
3TWarrior5 votesthis meme will never die XD
Summonah123698 votesFfs just delete the Goddamn item.
LTK KoRo4 votesSure, but after deleting the item give assassins their pre-assassins update damage and reliability, ok?
Bjørnetjenesten6 votesSome classes need to be left in the gutter for the rest of the game to be healthy
Hammermancer2 votesSo... mages, emchamters, and ad carries
Hammermancer1 votesNote that i meant that more to prove a point that every class has issues and there are multiple playstyles amd opinions on the matter
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesNot really, when Assassins are strong everyone else is left weak and useless. When ADC and Mages are strong every class becomes viable.
saltran2 votesNot really, when Assassins are strong everyone else is left weak and useless.
You dropped the /s
LTK KoRo1 votesWhen ADC and Mages are strong every class becomes viable.
Im pretty sure /s is needed here too, we saw during late s7 that if both Mages and ADCs are very strong then there's no reason to play any kind of damage oriented melees (and ranged assassins like LB).
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesDmg oriented "melees" (lul) should be harder to play. high risk high reward. Today they are 0 risk high reward at the expense of the enemy.
LTK KoRo1 votesAnd they are high risk high reward. You haven't seen these 8/10 yasuos in any of your games? It's really easy to die as melee while trying to do any plays
Hammermancer1 votesNot really, when Assassins are strong everyone else is left weak and useless. When ADC and Mages are strong every class becomes viable.
When adcs and mages are strong then everyone geta to play around hard cc comps with tabk tops, tank jungles, and an enchanter or tank support
When assassins are strong then all classifications of fighters are strong, enchanters are strong, tanks are strong, and the more mobility oriented half of mages and adcs are strong
So.... yeah i don't agree
Im on team fighter
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesWhile tanks and adc's may be "boring" to watch, at least there is some form of strategy involved with setting up your cc correctly, focusing on protecting the carry and having a balanced team comp with a high focus on teamwork and communication.
When Assassins are strong, game is a complete clownfiesta. The team with the most number of assassins/burst and the highest snowball potential will steamroll over other playstyles. Its a stale meta that brings the worst out in the community. People get toxic and game quality deteriorates.
Hammermancer1 votesWhile tanks and adc's may be "boring" to watch, at least there is some form of strategy involved with setting up your cc correctly, focusing on protecting the carry and having a balanced team comp with a high focus on teamwork and communication.
Ok but what if someone wants to play a split pushing duelist? which many assassins double as?
frankly I don't want to spend the game hooked onto some shitty attitude ADC who rages at everyone all game, teams are toxic as fuck and usually unreliable, and frankly it all comes down to who lands the aoe stun first in those matches, no skill, just an AOE stun engage that leads to some mage using his AOE burst and some more stuns, and then the adc just poking the most dead people... oh and there's a healer
Assassins mean you pick a target. You're literally the same group of people that cry about fighters every time riven, yasuo, ekko, jayce, irelia, or any other light fighter type gets any form of decent winrate for a second they get nerfed because people don't understand that about half of the players in this game want to fight, 1v1, 1v2, 2v1. and never, ever, 5v5... 5v5 is boring. Oh boy let's all brainlessly farm for 20 minutes then have a 1shot fest midlane and the winner wins the game.. wow... such enertainment
When Assassins are strong, game is a complete clownfiesta. The team with the most number of assassins/burst and the highest snowball potential will steamroll over other playstyles. Its a stale meta that brings the worst out in the community. People get toxic and game quality deteriorates.
When assassins are strong fighters are strong, and that also includes both AP and AD variant
when the two classes with the highest skill ceiling are strong then the game goes to mechanical skill, sorry the clown fiesta you like isn't the same thing I like, I want to test my mechanics against other players mechanics. and I mean my fighter mechanics, not just skillshots, My cancels for example, my dashes, etc etc. Emergency lifestealing, flash buffers... stupid shit, but it's fun when theres two people doing it against eachother.
I don't like literally pacing back and forth near an objective for 45 seconds waiting to see if the lux snare or the zoe sleep hits first until the malphite's flash ult eventually gets a lineup
that
isn't
fun
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me
fighters and assassins are fun to me, trying to get them all shut down is selfish
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesGame is not 1v1, its 5v5 moba. You call me selfish when i want the game to be stable and healthy so 10 people can enjoy the game and not the 1 dude that gets insanely fed
1v1 "mechanics" is fine, but its a tiny part of the overall game and guess what?? 8 other people dont give a fuck about monkeys fighting eachother.
The game is in the worst state it has been for years because of this mentality... sure insane low cd burst, mobility and all the other crazy shit is "fun" at the moment, but the game wont last, because a minority of players enjoys all the fun at the expense of the majority, and this leads to a highly toxic environment.
Also dont call assassins and fighters "high skill ceiling" when riot has spoonfed you completely insane levels of dmg, safety and free mobility that the original design philosophy didnt intend.
Hammermancer1 votesNice downvote thanks for seeing that im arguing in favor of power egalitarianism where you want mage/adc supremacy
So there is an entire subsection of the playerbase who wants to 1v1
Its not uncommon to see someone calling for a 1v1
There are numerous mechanical champs who are designed to 1v1
There are three lanes, two river objectives, and 4 jungle locations
5v5 mid to me is less strategic and more bullheaded smash and.grab, which sometimes is cool.. but we just got out of a season and a half of that, i dont want to be obligated to go maokai top because my playstyke gets shafted
Fighter players arent interchangeable with tank players
Hell half of us are jax/riven/jayce/darius/irelie/fiora 1tricks who think of the strategy of splitpushing and winning fights through complex kits, proper timing, and game knowledge to be the strategy of choice.. if adcs had it tjeir way we'd all be taric or leona tpp lane
Then there is the assassin fighters, usually mid laners
These are you akalis, your ekkos, your zeds, these guys don't all want to just 1shot, they want to make plays... fighter plays. They arent mage players they're fighter-assassin players
The zed shadow dance, the ekko bait ult, the akali.. ok shes overtuned.. but when she getd toned down there will still be that skill cieling
That high skill potential
It isnt league of 1v1s , but a substantial enough amount of players want to duel and splitpush, evade, carry, and win because of their impact... which your 5v5 meta really doesn't allow for
There isnt a 1v1 mode in league either, theres just matchmaking wjere two uncoordonated teams of randps compete to destroy the nexus
If ap itemization needs more diversity then so be it, adcs are fine and they have supports at the hip
Don't ruin my game gameplay experience just to enforce your own as if its the only true way to play and enjoy league
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesSo there is an entire subsection of the playerbase who wants to 1v1
popping out of nowhere with and deleting a squishy in 0.01 seconds is not a 1v1. Same goes for any other assassin that can do the same shit. Its just stupid with 0 counterplay.
There is also an entire subsection of the playerbase that wants to play control mages and actually compete against assassins and fighters on an equal playing field.
LTK KoRo1 votesAgreed, we should remove enchanters, mages and ADCs, so game will be playable for melees too
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesThis game used to be strategy and planning, not who rushes items to 1-shot the fastest. Kids who wanna do BiG dAmAgES should go play some hack and slash type of game.
LTK KoRo1 votes"Strategy and planning". Yeah, in s7 when ADCs with ardent were decimating teams there was soo much strategy and planning.
Strategy and planing resolves about rotations, making picks, coordinated pushes, and fighting during your power spikes. There is same amount of strategy and planning in playing melees and rangeds. If you truly believe that idk, there's no strategy in Camille trying to kill someone in teamfight then i don't know what im supposed to say to you.
And what's the difference between kid who wants to do "BiG dAmAgES" on Zed and "BiG dAmAgES" on Vayne or Veigar?
Bjørnetjenesten2 votesArdent being strong is not an ADC problem, its a support item that was problematic.
Being able to 1 shot and delete champions without hitting your abilities/combos or having a lead is an entire class' problem. 7 out of 10 top midlaners are Assassins, and the reason is because they are easy to play, their damage has become far too reliable and they have a very forgiving laning phase compared to before...
Gameplay from season 3-5, show that it was much healthier when burst dmg and assassins in general were harder to play and less reliable.
The state of the game in season 8 is the worst it has ever been, people are far more toxic, games feel unfair, runes are tuned towards damage and defensive options are extremely weak and limited. Seems like most games snowball out of control in favor of 1 team... the list goes on.
It has nothing to do with melee vs range. I like both, but what i dont like is braindead levels of burst dmg that rewards agressive stupid plays in favor of more calculated play.
CIayman1 voteslol
Sacred Math1 votesfor a 'non assassin player' you seem love to buff tf out of them
LTK KoRo1 votesI don't really want to buff the shit out of them, i just want them to be balanced. Boards are exaggerating assassins damage (and naming guys like Yasuo or Yi assassins) and trying to convince people that assassins take no skill.
I never saw Zed killing someone with r+aa+ignite, but suddenly it happens in half of the Zed games.
Clockwork Mouse6 votesRiot: More more MORE!
Robert Smith2 votes[{quoted}](name=Clockwork Mouse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RKY0Upfs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-26T02:35:36.546+0000)
Riot: More more MORE!
3TWarrior1 votesMr Krabs: What is it that you don't understand about MORE!
EasternBladeStar6 votesSeason 9 will be a reenact of season 8.
I have no faith in Riot, and at this rate, I have no intention of coming back either.
Snowman Arc6 votesThe buff isn't anything interesting. It's not gonna magically break Kha'zix. He was extremely oppressive with his perma stealth, they reverted that, and now he is still a strong soloQ champion because of h is damage and snowball, that the extra damage won't matter that much. He will still win the skirmishes he was winning, and will lose against things like Xin Zhao, Warwick etc. If anything, his W slow buff is more important, and that still won't change much. It's a placebo buff at best, just so that team can try him out a bit and make an appearance at worlds.
By the way, Championship Khazix was released, so, you know, they gotta make that money.
Anin7774 votesI mean, it's not like he has a skin coming out and they want people to buy it. Nope. Definitely not the reason.
HÔPÊ4 votesThey should just remove Duskblade. I am literally buying this item every single game, because of how rewarding it is. Kha zix with this item is broken and buffing him without any reason at all will make him even stronger. Duskblade and Stormrazor were mistakes and should be removed.
Rαy4 votes[sg-ahri-3] Strategic team fights and thought-out trades that reward you for staying calm.
[sg-ahri-2] button mashing noises
hexperiment3 votesgotta love people crying about khazix when Master Yi is even worse with 0 counterplay lol.
Starcraft243ver4 votesAt least yi can't escape when he missed his engage.
hexperiment2 votesAt least yi can't escape when he missed his engage.
in what world yi needs escape? he presses Q and you all respawn in your base.
KhaZix Bot2 votesThe passive buff is fine. The W slow buff is the problem.
Kha'Zix had his passive nerfed because they felt it synergized too well with Duskblade. When it was nerfed, he was a little too strong. The passive and R nerfs brought him down to "okay" tier, shifting between #10 and #15 for jungle playrates in Plat+. At that point he was fine as a champion, but his viability was limited by the overbearing broken nonsense that is Graves, Gragas, Lee Sin, Evelynn, etc., just like many other "okay" junglers.
Now Duskblade got nerfed. So if we take a champion that already can't compete with the top 5 junglers and nerf the item they almost universally rush... what do you think is going to happen? It's not brain surgery.
We hear about damage being "too high" all the time. For some champions, it is. The difference between Kha'Zix and the other Dusk assassins? Only Kha'Zix has counterplay so easy to pull off that you can do it by accident. Kha'Zix can be 20/0 and so long as you had the game knowledge and awareness to build one or two armour items and stand relatively close to your team, he's now worthless.
This is why, with the exception of some very abusive cases, balance is looked at in Plat+. Someone sitting in G5 and dying to Kha'Zix in isolation 35 minutes into the game should not have a hand in balance, period. He's easy to get fed on, but not easy to close out a game with. He was never the Duskblade abuser that Talon and Rengar were, because the rest of their burst in general has little to no counterplay, let alone counterplay so simple you can do it without trying to.
As for the W buff, it's a massive mistake. It will revert him to Season 5 Worlds status where he just evolves W, ganks, slows, and let's all the damage come from his laner. It's insulting to the spirit of the champion and his actual playerbase.
Karunamon1 votes[{quoted}](name=KhaZix Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RKY0Upfs,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2018-09-26T16:48:25.898+0000)
This is why, with the exception of some very abusive cases, balance is looked at in Plat+.
I.e. the top 10% of the player base.
The reason this is problematic should be obvious.
KhaZix Bot1 votesChampions shouldn't be balanced around who understands their counterplay and who doesn't. That's part of climbing. Learn their counterplay and you'll climb to an elo that balance is based around. Neglect it and you won't. Gold and below is largely irrelevant to balance because the overwhelming majority of those players don't understand basic fundamentals of the game. How can that be balanced around?
Saying gold and below should commonly be factored into balance decisions is like saying that you shouldn't have to learn the game to climb. Exceptions exist but they aren't common.
Hèntaî 2 votesPair that with Dark Harvest and Kha is a monster
Frink2021 votesI really love playing Kha, but this is taking it too far. While i think his W is just terrible in comparison to the other choices, and needed some love, this is just Completely wrecking it. My dude´s gonna get beaten down with a ludicrous amount of nerds as soon as the Competetive dudes are done Abusing him in Worlds.
KhaZix Bot2 votesThat W buff reverts it to the exact state it was getting abused in during Season 5 Worlds. With the Q change to remove increased damage off of Evo Q and raise non evo Q, you will see evolved W Kha'Zix jungle every time. It isn't healthy. Seriously, go back and watch S5 Worlds if you think Kha'Zix W needs this.
It does no favours for the spirit of the champion and is insulting to the playerbase. W is about to knock R off of evo rotation entirely and all everyone seems to be worried about is a passive buff that's really just compensation for a Dusk nerf that hit him harder than the champions who abused it the worst.
