Could we cut down on marksmen mobility please?

LatetotheRace··21 votes·647 views

Marksmen like Lucian and Vayne almost have as much mobility as slippery assassins and fighters like Fiora. It just seems excessive when they can simply ignore or completely outrun everything short of a nuclear bomb.

Here's some numbers if you don't believe me.

Fiora Lunge 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 8 Or 8 / 7 / 6 / 5 / 4 Leblanc Distortion 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 Fizz Playful Trickster 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 8

Ezreal Arcane Shift 19 / 17.5 / 16 / 14.5 / 13 Lucian Relentless Pursuit 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14 Vayne Tumble 6 / 5 / 4 / 3 / 2 Urgot Tumble Dry 10 / 8 / 6

Now the dash distances are obviously different, and the cooldown may seem a bit higher for Ezreal or Lucian, but bare in mind that marksmen now have a much easier time maxing CDR than say Fiora, Fizz, and even Leblanc.

Right now since marksmen build a lot of health and stats for survivability, it seems a tad excessive for them to dash here and there without any real take-away. Finally, marksmen are capable of kiting most every champion which invalidates their need for peel, as such they become incredibly strong one-trick ponies. I don't know about y'all, but it seems detrimental to the current state of balance in the game.

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Critmaster Garen6 votes

what is that? you made it past the enemy support, and caught the adc out of position? would be a shame if someone just pressed r and kicked you back into your team

oh, you burned flash and made it over there a second time without getting killed? too bad, because your target just jumped out of range

Tristana

might wanna try again, but remember she still has flash, and by now her jump got a reset from her e.

Hayaishi23 votes

Lucian's mobility is not even that bad.

He has to proc his passive to for it be effective, and its still limited because it's a short dash, he also lacks CC.

Now look at Vayne: She gets stealth on her mobility, MS boost, and hard CC. That is the entire reason of why Vayne is so ridiculously OP whenever she is in the meta.

Ezreal's problem is not his mobility per se, but IBG+Q making him hard to reach.

LatetotheRace6 votes

You seem to forget that mobility is not a characteristic any marksman should have. They should be, for the most part, mostly immobile cannons that wither down your opponents with sustain and constant damage when properly defended. Right now there are several marksmen who have enough of a mobility CC combo they can effortlessly kite anything other than a burst assassin (and due to the items they get nowadays, it's even harder), this invalidates their need for peel from their team. If a marksman has something like a speed buff, it's comparable as slows can invalidate it. But when a marksmen can dash around like a damn squirrel, we have a problem.

Hayaishi23 votes

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You seem to forget that mobility is not a characteristic any marksman should have. They should be, for the most part, mostly immobile cannons that wither down your opponents with sustain and constant damage when properly defended. Right now there are several marksmen who have enough of a mobility CC combo they can effortlessly kite anything other than a burst assassin (and due to the items they get nowadays, it's even harder), this invalidates their need for peel from their team. If a marksman has something like a speed buff, it's comparable as slows can invalidate it. But when a marksmen can dash around like a damn squirrel, we have a problem.

Nowhere in the history of Riot games it has been said marksmen shouldn't have mobility, that's bullshit.

Which marksman apart from Vayne Quinn tristana and maybe Kalista have both mobility and CC? that doesn't seem like several to me and by the way mobile ADCs are meant to kite non assassins/dedicated divers with ease (and even then there are certain champions than can stick to them quite well)

Ever tried kiting Irelia? Yi? Jax? you need atleast your support and mid laner helping you survive and kill them whenever one of them dives.

ADCs, by themselves can't kite shit (unless it's Kalista and Vayne) Irelia rips them all apart, Olaf, YI, even a Nautilius by mid game destroys backlines if left unchecked.

As always, the forums over exaggerate every single complain against marksmen.

LatetotheRace4 votes

If you build and play marksmen like you did 2 seasons ago, you're gonna have a bad time. The main reason I'm bringing up this inherent flaw in the system is because of all these new disgusting items they have implemented. Since they refuse to nerf those, something has to give to make marksmen balanced. You noticed how marksmen are everywhere now due to their mobility, sustained damage, and overall enhanced durability? (Nah, no way quinn or graves is dominating top.....) I get you are blind to the fact that the meta has shifted to a terrible spot, but you must admit that marksmen are far too strong, and the caster marksmen and the mobility marksmen are currently the strongest.

KoggyStyle2 votes

i just got train wrecked by a kha on aram even tho his dmg to champs was meh.... so lets nerf assassins no one likes being insta gibbed

LatetotheRace2 votes

Not really relevant to ARAM.

KoggyStyle1 votes

kay, Kalista and attack move being a thing is highly irrelavent to skill... if you wanna orb walk you oughta be able to do it with right clicks, especcially with a crappin 300ish range hop per auto.

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