With Rylai's Nerfed, now might be a perfect opportunity to bring back Pox Arcana

D2Vincent··49 votes·2,650 views

Seeing how the last time I made a post about Pox Arcana it got pretty popular, I thought I'd try it again now that there's a new rift where Rylai's once was.

With Rylai's having been nerfed to the point where it's a rather niche item for immoble mages who want slows early game (Brand, Aurelion Sol, maybe karthus but not really), AND the fact that now we're 1 less item that Needlessly large rod builds into, I'd like to propose that we bring back an item that had used to be in an old Game mode called Black Market Brawlers back when the Bilgewater event was still a thing.


Here's the Original Recipe from BMB:

POX ARCANA:

Cost: 3000G

Recipe: Lost Chapter + Amp tone + 1665 GP

Stats: 100% Mana Regen, 100 AP, 20% CDR

UNIQUE PASSIVE – POX: Applies a stack of Pox for 10 seconds whenever you deal ability damage, stacking up to 5 times.

UNIQUE ACTIVE – DISEASE HARVEST: Deals 100 magic damage plus 20 (+5% AP) per stack of Pox (maximum of 200 (+25% AP)) to all nearby enemies affected by Pox, and restores 5% of your maximum mana for every Pox stack harvested. 60 second cooldown.

TOTAL GOLD EFFICIENCY: 3528 or 117.6% (without Passive)


This was when Mana regen was a thing on Mages, and they also built things like Athene's, which at the time was built a lot on mages who needed the mana regen. Now in this day and age, Mana regen is more used on AP supports so I made an edit in both my previous post, and another edit here that I think would balance it out in both stats and Gold efficiency.


POX ARCANA (Rebalanced)

Cost: 3000G

Builds out of NLR, Lost Chapter + 850G

Stats:

100 AP 500 Mana

UNIQUE PASSIVE – POX: Applies a stack of Pox for 10 seconds whenever you deal ability damage, stacking up to 5 times.

UNIQUE ACTIVE – DISEASE HARVEST: Deals 100 magic damage plus 20 (+5% AP) per stack of Pox (maximum of 200 (+25% AP)) to all nearby enemies affected by Pox, and restores 5% of your maximum mana for every Pox stack harvested. 60 second cooldown.

TOTAL GOLD EFFICIENCY: 2875G or 95.8% without Passive


I think this would prove to be a decent item for those who suffer from the Rylai's changes, and perhaps be the final nail in the coffin for Tank ekko maybe?. It's meant for champs that are of a higher risk/ higher reward playstyle (Aurelion sol, Karthus, Ryze, Ekko, maybe Fizz etc.) where your damage is maximized when you go head-first into the enemy team. This way, Artillery champs can't abuse the active because they have to keep a distance otherwise they get blown up.

57 Comments

Supreme Senpai697 votes

Should have a CD to applying stacks, even if it's 1 second or something. DoT champions with DFT and item 3151 would just go insane with that. 60S also seems a bit too low of a CD that can deal a heavy chunk of damage while also offering good stats. But I'm always for new items

L0ve Is Blue7 votes

I don't like mages heading towards active bots. The only items they added with the MYMU are the hextech items and they both have actives instead of adding some more AP to compensate for all the AP that was lost all accross the board. If anything I'd prefer netherside grimoire with the Movement speed on spell hits instead of Pox Arcana.

50000000000000001 votes

Especially since that's useful for kiting, chasing, just like Rylai's!

L0ve Is Blue6 votes

A movement speed boost would be a way more balanced alternative for kiting instead of applying a slow. With rylai you can slow 3 champions at once just like that or lock down a target for your team. With movement speed, you can chase an enemy or kite an enemy, but the only one affected is you. It doesn'T impair the enemy but still gives you extra sticking power.

Wolfram Oxford1 votes

Ahri :)

WinTheWarOnPants4 votes

I wouldn't mind if they removed item 3152 and replaced it with something like this. Proto belt active is broken IMO. I really didn't like it before it was introduced and i still really don't like it.

Talisid6 votes

Its neat but what do all the manaless mages buy then?

DarkRitual1 votes

AP Assassin items?

GrReaper961 votes

Hmm sure ap assasin items. Like?

DarkRitual1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Katarina/Middle

Things Katarina builds, maybe less of Zhonyas, but it's still situational.

GrReaper961 votes

Yeah thats kinda the thing AP assasins dont have any specific items for them. Closest would perhaps be item 3146

Wolfram Oxford1 votes

More MPen less AP

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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Its neat but what do all the manaless mages buy then?

They buy Rylai's.

GrReaper961 votes

Cassiopeia Fiddlesticks Fizz Heimerdinger Malzahar MissFortune Morgana Nautilus Teemo

Saianna1 votes

That would shot AP Twitch winrate to the moon and beyond :D

There's one problem though. Riot shows no activity that they want to help mages in any way. If they did, that nightmarish Rylai nerf wouldn't take place and Riot would fix other mage items.

But they don't..

Veraska3 votes

Mages all got buffed in preseason with the removal of locket, the top 11 win rate midlaners this patch are mages (with corki the magic dmg adc being number 12) mages don't need any help

Saianna1 votes

yeah that 20 MR was such a huge nerf!!11

Not that they got almost twice as big shields now

DarkRitual1 votes

That's fine, there's a cooldown window where you deal more danage still. They also don't get the aura passive from the component, making early roams/groups a bit better.

WoonStruck2 votes

Locket doesn't have HP or CDR anymore. Its effectively nerfed.

GrReaper961 votes

Well they did give it a potential 2000 shield and increased the base mr on the user

GrReaper961 votes

I mean considering mid lane is mostly mages its not surprising top mid laners are mages.......

Catastrop1 votes

The base damage needs to go down. 75 + 15(+10% AP) seems good enough to scale throughout the entire game. Also, people are talking about DoTs when there's a simple fix. 1 stack max per champion per spellcast.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

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Catastrop1 votes

I don't see how this destroys the viability of the item on her that much considering you can still get 4 stacks(5 if you dash twice) with a combo.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

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Catastrop1 votes

That sounds more like an Ahri does too much damage issue.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Yeah I'm no Ahri main but I had a stretch of heavy ahri play a little while ago, and there was no one-ult-oneshotting of squishies happening.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

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Spaceman5pff1 votes

What I meant by that was The combo of E+Q+W+R was not oneshotting people, and I needed at least the 2nd R.

Strawman me more for fucks sake.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I don't really see that as a "strawman", nor was it intended as one. Just me taking a crack at your poor phrasing, no need to be hostile.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

If you weren't strawmanning me, why did you hide you comment?

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I deleted the whole chain because I felt my comments weren't adequate enough for the discussion.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Yet here you are, continuing it :)

DarkRitual1 votes

Wouldn't Ludens proc apply it as well?

Catastrop1 votes

Yes, since Ludens is a separate spell from the ability it procs off of.

Volgorath1 votes

You know, if this item gets released, Veigar is gonna get nerfed hardcore...

DarkRitual1 votes

He has issues spamming damage hard enough to really abuse it. He can Q to apply stacks, miss out on passive stacks, and pop Pox for damage instead? Seems bad.

NineTailedMystic3 votes

He gets passive stacks for hitting champs too.

Volgorath1 votes

I was thinking of the free mana from using the active

Mogarl1 votes

Nah, this item would only be abused by the same people who abused Rylai's. meanwhile all the people that were less abusive with Rylai's or it was supposed to be core on wouldn't get much at all out of it. Rylai's provided a ton of damage and utility, Pox Arcana would provide damage and mana sustain.

Samflash31 votes

I'd probably like that item active on GLP-800. Else most people would get the item because of the high AP.

Castanean1 votes

Do you know who would LOVE Pox Arcana? Perhaps a bit too much?

Taliyah

Elewd1 votes

you know who would love it more? Zyra them plants :3.......

The Deckowner1 votes

didn't rito said they aren't gonna add anymore mana regen on mage items?

kagepaladin1 votes

only issues your taking an item which was initially designed for ap bruisers (lets be real here mainly mordekaiser and a few supports), if you wanted to make a suitable replacement you are going to need to have it give hp not mana or a balance between the two.

Wolfram Oxford1 votes

Tank Ekko is actually dead.

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