Riot, You've given me the best Birthday present any leaguer could ask for...

D2Vincent·Jul 13, 2015·110 votes·11,352 views

By disabling Zed, you've helped me take care of the other champs needed to be banned so I can play my Karthus happily. Thanks Riot!

86 Comments

RiotmoonstonesJul 13, 2015103 votes

Happy Birthday!

XeroKimoJul 14, 20154 votes

When the rioter has more likes then the Post....

MaliginantJul 14, 20153 votes

The only solution to that problem is to upvote the main post more.

XeroKimoJul 14, 20156 votes

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The 2 solutions to that problem is to upvote the main post and downvote the rioter

ftfy

RrettJul 15, 20151 votes

Only reason I'm here is because red response.

Frost HellfireJul 15, 20151 votes

Not anymore! :P

AerothalJul 14, 20151 votes

i like you! always so chipper :P

Nato BoramJul 13, 201536 votes

I agree that not seeing any Zed for a while made me happy.

KeevalroyJul 13, 20156 votes

Unfortunately they've all moved to Yasuo so nothing really changes. They're still playing overloaded toxic bullshit, it just comes in a different package.

Nato BoramJul 13, 20155 votes

Yasuo isn't in his best position right now, so it doesn't bother me. Plus, the only time I've seen him perform well was on my team :D

Mandang0Jul 13, 20153 votes

He actually has a pretty good pickrate and winrate right now.

I Miss CannonJul 14, 20153 votes

If you call 48% winrate and a negative average kd good..

VentusDragoonJul 14, 20152 votes

48% is actually rather high.... not the highest but high...

I GANK LANESJul 13, 20157 votes

God do all the kids really just bandwagon on this stupid mentality? This board is ridiculous lmfao

KeevalroyJul 13, 201533 votes

Bandwagon? I've hated Yasuo since he was announced...

FastAsHeckJul 15, 20151 votes

do people think yasuo is still broken? O_o

KeevalroyJul 15, 20151 votes

Broken doesn't mean overpowered.

JofeyyJul 13, 20155 votes

Now if they could only disable fizz too...

Ancestor007Jul 14, 20152 votes

Or Katarina

Troll for TrumpJul 14, 20151 votes

kat is pretty bad right now imo

rtbf64914595Jul 13, 20153 votes

Agreed not that zed is powerful but it is helpful when my team begs to ban him. It makes it a bonus ban for eveyone. My friend got zed as the mystery champ and he cant even use it. So funny. also his goal was only to get female champions anyways.

kurthl33tJul 13, 20151 votes

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Agreed not that zed is powerful but it is helpful when my team begs to ban him. It makes it a bonus ban for eveyone. My friend got zed as the mystery champ and he cant even use it. So funny. also his goal was only to get female champions anyways.

A noble goal. I've a similar goal, although I'm also allowing myself to get monsters and children. So far this means I own a bunch of ladies and Rammus. :P

DorkunedAurasJul 13, 20159 votes

That sounds like really bad japanese porn "Rammus and the ladies" They each jump on a spike and... oh god that sounds wrong.

LittleBlastJul 13, 201512 votes

I'd watch that.

kurthl33tJul 19, 20151 votes

So this would be a bad time to mention that my next purchase will be Vel'Koz...

DorkunedAurasJul 19, 20152 votes

uhhhh, Japan called, they'd like to make porn out of your champion lineup...

Midder ScrayJul 14, 20152 votes

Everyone makes Zed seem worse than he actually is. Like most champions, he is pretty annoying and deadly when he's fed, but there are worse champs than him

cough MasterYi cough cough Teemo COUGH Yasuo COUGH COUGH COUGH COUGH

Troll for TrumpJul 14, 20156 votes

Tryndamere "Hey guys Im 0/6/0 and I can still 1v3 and get away with a triple kill, then carry late game, and force you to camp top or lose your turrets the rest of the game."

Yes I know what thornmails and cc is, he's just annoying to play against..

then there's... Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz Fizz

so damn broken.

Even worse than zed because of how flexible he is.

Midder ScrayJul 14, 20151 votes

I'm a Trynd main but I'll admit he's kinda ridiculous lol. There are people that want him taken out of the game, but I don't think that's a good solution. There are several champs that could be taken out of the game because they're so ridiculous, but that makes it less fun because it's limiting diversity, and besides, if there are only weak ass champs in the game, where's the challenge in that? Then it'd all come down to who can play the champion better

And yeah, Fizz is horrible. I've been seeing less of him lately tho, so that's pretty good

LuggJul 14, 20153 votes

Zed is actually worse than he seems. I would rather face Yi and Teemo at the same time instead of Zed. Yas is even more broken than Zed though.

Midder ScrayJul 14, 20151 votes

Ehh I wouldn't go that far... I mean, Zed's annoying early game, and if you let him get fed then he's a beast late game. But if you can CC him to hell then it's not that bad, same with Tryndamere. Not to mention Zed's abilities eat up energy early-mid game, so he's definitely got a disadvantage there

His main problem late game is his ult, because if he can manage to get in enough damage before he escapes or gets killed and he's even slightly fed, his ult will still fuck you up and pretty much the only way out of it is to get a shield of some kind

Zed now at least isn't as bad as before his nerf, obviously, so when will people be satisfied? Zed's a 6300 champ, he deserves some power. I don't think it's fair for people to have to work their way up to 6300 IP, plus buy runes for him, just to have him nerfed to oblivion to the point where he's basically unplayable, which is what happens to a lot of champs and it's kinda disappointing

UiruJul 14, 20155 votes

It's too bad mana hungry mages don't get to sit behind turret and suck their thumb for ten seconds and be battle ready again.

But please, tell me more about how bad energy champs have it. I've got the world's smallest violin around here somewhere; hang on a sec.

Midder ScrayJul 14, 20151 votes

Lol energy champs have their problems and disadvantages. I know people think that just because they've got a technically unlimited resource that isn't mana, that they're the gods of League and can do anything their hearts desire and dominate every game they play

For one, energy champs can't spam their abilities like mana champs can. A lot of energy champs, like Lee Sin and Kennen have ways of restoring their energy quicker, but it involves doing something like autoattacking (Lee Sin), and running through something with their E (Kennen). But that's not always the easiest to do

Not to mention they eat up a LOT more energy early game, so it makes it especially difficult to use all abilities in a short amount of time, which I think is the main reason champions like Zed have so much damage. I mean, he is an assassin. He gets in, uses his abilities, kills quickly, and gets out. That's just who he is. He's a master of the shadows, you'd think he'd be pretty good at killing

And mages can buy items to increase the amount of mana and mana regen they have, energy champs have to rely on upgrading their abilities to decrease the energy cost on them

Mages also usually have a lot more CC on them. Just some CC off the top of my head, Kennen's stun (which is his only one), Akali's slow (also her only one), and Zed's slow (ALSO his only one).

Zed is mainly OP when he's got a good team comp, too. It's hard for him to 1v2 unless he's way more fed than the champs he's fighting, or they're really bad. Zed's supposed to jump into fights and do as much damage as he can. That's his purpose. Sure, he can pick off squishies that are wandering off from their team. But he normally can't 1v1 a tank, either. Another weakness is CC, and there is a LOT of CC in League right now. Zed only has 2 means of escape in his kit, and that is teleporting with his W or teleporting to his R shadow. And his ult is already really conditional, meaning he'd have to have already used it on somebody to teleport to it at all, and the shadow has to be in a safe place for him to use it safely

And another thing about his energy limit is that he can usually only effectively target one or two champs at a time, unless they're weak, then he can move onto another one

So no, energy based champs don't have all the advantages in the game, and they can be taken down just like any other champ, if you know how to counter them. They may not have the same limits as mana based champs, but they do have limits, and they each have their own upsides and downsides

CosnirakJul 14, 20154 votes

"I know people think that just because they've got a technically unlimited resource that isn't mana, that they're the gods of League and can do anything their hearts desire and dominate every game they play"

Actually... they can and do.

"For one, energy champs can't spam their abilities like mana champs can."

OK I legit didn't make it past this paragraph. Sorry it's not worth building 40% cdr on your already low cd energy champ... Let me see if I can borrow Uiru's violin.

Midder ScrayJul 14, 20151 votes

Ok, I honestly couldn't care less if you read it or not. I don't care about your opinion, because I think your opinion is bullshit and if you wanna keep complaining about champs like Zed just because you have no idea how to counter them, then that's your choice

CosnirakJul 14, 20153 votes

This "you just hate them because you don't know how to beat them" argument is the oldest bullshit excuse to defend champions with really annoying kits/abilities. I crush Zed with my main. When I see the enemy pick Zed in a ranked game and I get to mid it makes me happy because I know my odds of winning that game just went through the roof. I still loathe his existence. And Akali's, and Katarina's, and Lee Sin's, and Yasuo's. The only one I tend to have issues vs is Lee Sin because his early damage is just so stupidly high and he survives everything by just ward hopping away.

None of that makes them less aggravating to play against and none of that stops them from being able to spam their abilities way more than mana champs can.

Midder ScrayJul 14, 20151 votes

Ok, I hate playing against Teemo, Vayne, Nasus, etc., but I can still beat them. Do I always complain about them and bitch about them being OP and how I think they should be nerfed?

Nope. Because if I can beat them, what's the point? If every champ you hate suddenly got nerfed to hell, where would the challenge be?

CosnirakJul 14, 20153 votes

"Do I always complain about them and bitch about them being OP and how I think they should be nerfed?"

My complaint is with the resource systems of League.

"If every champ you hate suddenly got nerfed to hell, where would the challenge be?"

The challenge would be in all the other champions, particularly the ones that are overpowered at the moment. The champions I hate are not necessarily overpowered, and I don't necessarily hate all overpowered champions.

To be clear my response to "can do anything their hearts desire and dominate every game they play" was intentionally a little bit of exaggeration and also a reference to their ability to go around casting freely and being a huge matter of focus in the game, not that they simply win and can't be punished.

Even a 0 kill, low cs non mana based assassin can end up easily carrying a game if you let them. The problem isn't that I can't stop them, it's that my entire team has to really focus on stopping them and give them more power than they deserve to zone us, make us play safe, ect. Because if they get just a couple kills they can start snowballing EVEN IF THEIR TEAM LOSES OUT ON THAT TRADE DIRECTLY. That's the thing that pisses me off the most. If the enemy jg comes mid and I kill the enemy Zed and their jg but I die to Zed my team is now most likely worse off than if no one died at all (unless I'm also playing a manaless assassin), and that is annoying as fuck.

LuggJul 14, 20151 votes

Any decent Zed player is going to get fed. His early and mid game are just too strong not too, and with proper runes, Zed has pretty much unlimited energy.

His ult is absolutely unstoppable until you get QSS or Zhonas. By that time he is too fed to stop.

As for the IP cost, just because a champion costs more doesn't mean they should be more powerful. If you are paying with IP, they are still free.

I will agree that the nerf helped, but he is still very strong.

XxxLumberJackxxXJul 13, 20151 votes

Umm Karthus likes laning vs zed?

supes the lostJul 13, 201521 votes

Karthus cries himself to sleep at night thinking about the possibility of laning against a Zed. Well, at least I do when I play Karthus.

Vistha KaiJul 13, 20153 votes

summoner 14 summoner 3 Karthus doesn't give a flying fuck about Zed, though.

LittleBlastJul 13, 201514 votes

But he does care about the jg that is now camping him

Vistha KaiJul 13, 20153 votes

But what if... he is the jungler?

Jungleception.

LittleBlastJul 13, 20151 votes

Onhit Devourer karthus new meta

Vistha KaiJul 13, 20151 votes

Cinderhulk, actually.

LittleBlastJul 13, 20151 votes

But that auto attack animation

Vistha KaiJul 13, 20151 votes

ADC Anivia.

LittleBlastJul 14, 20154 votes

You know somebody out there mains that.

FastAsHeckJul 15, 20151 votes

i dont have a problem against zed but thats because of my experience with karthus. I agree that unless you know him like the palm of your hand hes a tough matchup, but it gets better when you get item 3157