Why can Garen's E crit when every crit item except IE is inherently shit on him?

TotalJerk··3 votes·1,780 views

He doesn't like item 3508 because he doesn't have mana. He doesn't like item 3046, item 3087 because attack speed is useless while he's spinning. So why does he have part of his power budget built into scaling with a stat that's on items he doesn't like?

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Big Lincoln2 votes

because item 3078 used to crit and Atma's used to exist

also IE had higher crit on its own before

also it doesn't take any part of his power budget

MorgManBasher3 votes

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because item 3078 used to crit and Atma's used to exist

also IE had higher crit on its own before

also it doesn't take any part of his power budget

Don't forget ghostblade use to crit which was core on Garen

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

It's a nice off build to experiment and have fun with.

Hong Kong Revolt2 votes

When Garen was updated, players on Reddit asked for crit scaling instead of an E that was actually good,so...

Jalkan1 votes

You said it yourself, IE isn't inherently bad on him.

MorgManBasher1 votes

item 3031 item 3087 are pretty much the only crit items decent on him and it's a very fun build, but generally not something kinda troll.

He's just in a really really bad spot atm with trinity force, fervor being so strong top lane...like, he can't really use either that well.

I miss ghostblade/atma's for crit on garen though.

JeffLeague1231 votes

i have a video on this. Im pretty sure his e doesnt crit... anymore even if it says that it can. Please don't judge my youtube channel.. i hope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG1ACrQodD4 Also you can put it on 720P for better quality.

LyingOnLine1 votes

When Garen's rework was coming through, Repertoir was convinced to preserve crit as a niche off-build.

TimX24968B1 votes

I've seen non-mana users take item 3508 just for the CDR and damage+crit. People have argued it both ways on someone like tryndamere, but you CAN benefit from it on garen.

Paroe1 votes

item 3031 item 3046 item 3508 item 3812 item 3065 item 3047 is a pretty nice crit garen build. order is technically optional though.

rework trundle1 votes

Why can Ziggs crit when building him crit is inherently shit?

TotalJerk1 votes

Because literally every champion can crit with autos. My question is why his E is specifically designed to be able to crit, despite there being almost no viable items for him to use to take advantage of this.

Wolfess1 votes

I think some old items that had crit were meant for this

like Atma's Impaler, if that's what it was called, or the Lightbringer item where it was better for someone like a tank to have it as they're near the front.

But really when garen's E is aleady doing high lvls of scaling AD damage, why does it even need to be able to crit as it procs so many times.... without having to stop for auto-attack animation... sigh

Elkington VI1 votes

Just buy another Infinity Edge. I remember one time I saw a Garen purchase Zeal to increase his crit chance, which was possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen someone do in this game, as far as itemization is concerned. There was once a time when crit/AD was much easier to purchase (i.e. Atmas Impaler) and Riot decided to keep that part of his kit intact, even though itemization no longer accommodates it.

Sasogwa1 votes

Actually crit is bad on him because his E critting formula is trash. Those are extremely reduced crits : bonus crit damage = 100% x (0.5 + bonus critical strike damage).

Source : http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Garen

That is to say his crits, instead of being damage x (2 + bonus crit. damage from IE and runes), are x (1.5 + bonus crit.)

All in all, his crits start at 150% instead of 200% because Riot hates him. Basically.

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