as it is warrior is the only jg item missing a unique passive, why not just give it a tiamat cleave? not the active tiamat i just mean the passive aoe would be great on most champions who buy the item and it would fit the other enchantments that all have a form of aoe on their passives
Paroe4 votes
(1000g) + 
(1100g) +525g = 
(2625g)
(1000g) + 
(1350g) +275g = (2625g) with cleave and life regen instead of CDR.
Most AD junglers actually WANT tiamat for the much more effective clears anyway, this change just removes a powerspike delay.
OtterlyLost1 votesThey'd have to greatly reduce its gold efficiency. I think it's the most gold efficient jungle item which is why it doesn't get a nifty little affect.
Paroe1 votesThey'd have to greatly reduce its gold efficiency. I think it's the most gold efficient jungle item which is why it doesn't get a nifty little affect.
The jungle items are already sub-par in general i think, trading CDR for clear speed will just be a quality of life change... Since most AD junglers will get the basic item, then tiamat, and never finish either.
OtterlyLost1 votesI wouldn't call being 90% gold efficient compared to the others only scrape 30 or 40% subpar. Most AD junglers do eventually finish their warrior. It is insanely good efficient and gives a huge power spike. The AD on warrior would have to be gutted and the CDR removed just so you could have cleave on it. Furthermore, you now have the cleave on your jungle item and are barred off from getting any of the Tiamat completed items.
Paroe1 votesI wouldn't call being 90% gold efficient compared to the others only scrape 30 or 40% subpar. Most AD junglers do eventually finish their warrior. It is insanely good efficient and gives a huge power spike. The AD on warrior would have to be gutted and the CDR removed just so you could have cleave on it. Furthermore, you now have the cleave on your jungle item and are barred off from getting any of the Tiamat completed items.
In my post i specifically stated cleave and life regen instead of CDR. The CDR comes from caulfeilds whorehammer.
Anyway... 1AD is worth 35g. Caulfeilds is 25AD. Combine cost is 525. 60-25 = 35, or 1225G in extra AD. That thousand generally comes from the cost of the stat-less jungle item base.
Tiamat has the same AD, but will be 150g more expensive due to the cleave passive getting a price hike. The gold effectiveness of the item will be unchanged, but the ACTUAL effectiveness of the item will be much better with a much better build path.
Also... I rarely see junglers finish warrior unless they really want it, because theres better items to finish like penetration.
EDIT: What items are 30~40% gold efficient?!
Dr Dog1 votesya thats true but i still think that would be a fine trade off considering how many ad jgers are tiamat reliant
Schenix1 votesMaybe a cleave just for jungle camps. That would have a lot of impact on jungle meta though, but certainly is an option to consider.