as an adc you have 0 fucking agency over how your lane goes, its almost 100% dependant on your jg mid and support and if any one of them shit the bed your gonna get 4 man tower dove all game and end up losing lane no matter how the enemy bot plays it. gonna make it a note to gank bot a LOT more after playing adc again for a little because its like jgers remove the fucking lane from their maps
OtterlyLost34 votesEvery ADC main in existence has said this. Solo laners don't care and don't believe it and would rather continue to harp about how OP having extra range is when you have base resistances that equate to caster minions. ADCs have no agency.
Dr Dog10 votesi mained adc last season, they had relevance and agency but currently adc is so far in the shitter, i dont understand how people can enjoy this role in its current state
Binding Eclipse22 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-10T06:57:41.955+0000)
i mained adc last season, they had relevance and agency but currently adc is so far in the shitter, i dont understand how people can enjoy this role in its current state
We don't, but apparently that's just us crying for non-reasons.
BestPudgeNA8 votes[{quoted}](name=Aurelion Smõl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-10T07:03:00.891+0000)
We don't, but apparently that's just us crying for non-reasons.
ADC cried non-stop during Ardent meta. They were still meming ADC in 2017. The meta when literally only thing that matted was Janna pressing shield on the ADC while the ADC 2 v 8ed ever game and nobody else even got to play past 8 mins ADCs cried about their role.
Grokmir7 votesAdc's cried becuase ardent meta was dumb, not because they thought they were weak or something lmao.
BestPudgeNA6 votes[{quoted}](name=Grokmir the bold,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-10T17:42:39.933+0000)
Adc's cried becuase ardent meta was dumb, not because they thought they were weak or something lmao.
No ADC cried about it being boring/dumb. They cried because they could die to Assassins roaming during laning phase.
The one thing that's never changed about the game since i started playing towards the end of s5 is ADC mains will always say their role sucks. So listening to ADC mains about role balance is pointless.
EROTIC RAID BOSS8 votestalk about rewriting history. this board has been nothing but anti adc nonsense even when adcs were terrible
BestPudgeNA1 votes[{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-11-10T22:09:53.037+0000)
talk about rewriting history. this board has been nothing but anti adc nonsense even when adcs were terrible
It's weird any negative post about ADC gets downvoted and any pity party about them gets upvoted odd thing to happen on a board that is supposedly anti-adc. Case and point this thread. What i said was a verifiable fact. You can go back on Youtube and watch ADC in 2017k videos and see that they are during Ardent meta.
OMG im 1/7 and got one shot by a 17 kill ZED. Man it sucks to play ADC such a weak role
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesthat's from march 2017, when adcs were in fact terrible and it was a bit of a meme. well before the ardent censor meta.
so thanks for proving my point about you. you can't rewrite history so that all of 2017 was the same meta of godlike adcs all year.
BestPudgeNA1 votes[{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=0000000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-11T14:47:29.182+0000)
that's from march 2017, when adcs were in fact terrible and it was a bit of a meme. well before the ardent censor meta.
Excepts it's not
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Critmaster Garen6 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-10T06:57:41.955+0000)
i mained adc last season, they had relevance and agency
i guess thats another way to say that they were completely broken.
who would have thought that a massive mid/lategame scaling class of champions has a weak early game to compensate? shocker.
Kalikko23 votesBy reverse, most supports have zero control over their lane.
I can ward, ping the solo lane missing. . .. watch the enemy jungle walk OVER my deep ward. . with my adc oblivious.
Not to mention eating hooks, binds. . . pushing waves when you shouldn't. . .freezing when you shouldn't. . .greeding for kills when you shouldn't.
And yes. . .with sight stone being available somewhere between 8.5-15 minutes ( on a GOOD support), its is so, so much easier for bot lane to be ganked (by either jungle or mid lane). Confuses me as to why it doesn't receive more attention.
2Charmnot2Charm23 votesBy reverse, most supports have zero control over their lane.
No, unless your adc is a complete monkey supports have all control of the lane. It doesn't matter who the better adc is because what matters is the better support player.
Long as the adc is decent you should have no zero issues besides champion match ups.
Kalikko41 votesNo, unless your adc is a complete monkey
You, sir, just described the vast majority of solo queue adcs. [sg-janna]
2Charmnot2Charm5 votesYou, sir, just described the vast majority of solo queue adcs. [sg-janna]
https://i.imgur.com/dht7pYj.png
https://i.imgur.com/c3vKsOk.png
https://i.imgur.com/P4xSOLW.png
Getting a decent ADC is a lot easier than getting a decent support player, are you one of those supports that sit far back behind your adc with the only contribution to the lane you do is press shield?
You're the problem, not the adc players. Infact the only adc players I hate, are those that pick 
or pick a lane bully but plays cowardly all laning phase starting from level 1, but that rarely happens and ill dodge when I get vayne [sg-miss-fortune]
BigfootNamedYeti5 votesSupports control the pace and I've always hated hitting the go go go switch on in my head only for the ad to turn tail
rtbf2216514125 votesNo, unless your adc is a complete monkey supports have all control of the lane. It doesn't matter who the better adc is because what matters is the better support player.
** Long as the adc is decent** you should have no zero issues besides champion match ups.
Asking for that is actually a lot to ask.
Also, you are playing a role that is meant to carry late game. Not in laning phase. What did you fucking expect? Attack Damage not Carry?
I lit your baby2 votesThe only problem, adc's in majority worthless at late game.
rtbf2216514129 votes[{quoted}](name=Forced Abortion,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5R8782qH,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-10T11:09:45.915+0000)
The only problem, adc's in majority worthless at late game.
Excuse me? Just because people can't use them properly doesn't mean they are bad.
2Charmnot2Charm3 votesAsking for that is actually a lot to ask.
Also, you are playing a role that is meant to carry late game. **Not in laning phase. **
Guess what, if you stomp laning phase your adc get's to their "late game" state much faster AND the enemy bot lane will be useless cause they are trying to catch up while you and your adc are having fun taking over the map.
The enemy team will be playing a 3v5 so unless the solo laners get fed to the point that they could win such fights it should be an easy game [sg-lulu]
Just because you play a "late game" champion doesn't mean you should play passive no matter what, there will be times where you can go aggro. The players that never take advantage of any openings given to them are the ones who will be losing more often while saying "don't worry we got late game" as if the enemy team will allow them to get to that point, for FREE.
And if they do get to late game they still don't have the guts to do what it takes to carry people late game anyways.
rtbf2216514121 votesGuess what, if you stomp laning phase your adc get's to their "late game" state much faster AND the enemy bot lane will be useless cause they are trying to catch up while you and your adc are having fun taking over the map.
Did you just tell me the brain dead adcs make supporting actually matter?
Tell me more.
2Charmnot2Charm1 votesTell me more.
Nah I said enough, if you can't have a positive winrate as 1 of the most easy and important roles in solo queue then that's your problem. Keep blaming others for your lack of game knowledge, it doesn't matter to me :).
Have fun once that fiddle cheese stops working.
rtbf2216514121 votesNah I said enough, if you can't have a positive winrate as 1 of the most easy and important roles in solo queue then that's your problem. Keep blaming others for your lack of game knowledge, it doesn't matter to me :).
Have fun once that fiddle cheese stops working.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/performance/fiddlesticks/na/Lakrosin/all
Top CC in the world. Shut your mouth before you hurt yourself.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/performance/lulu/na/2Charmnot2Charm/all
You can't even match your own league rank performance for diamond. Meanwhile... My Fiddlesticks...
Top .1% (.001) fiddlesticks CC in world versus 12.9% (~0.13) worst kill participation Lulu in the world.
Hmmm... You sure told me off.
OtterlyLost16 votesIf you feel like you have no control over bot lane as the support, then you're honestly not playing the role right. No offense meant but supports bot lane are literally the play makers and have nearly all of the control over how the lane will progress. The only control left and afforded to the ADC is the wave control and thats it. The rest is pretty much the support setting the tone; if the support decides they don't want to play up, they end up leaving an ADC in the vulnerable 2v1 position and pretty much forcing their ADC to also play back. :/ If the support decides to play aggressive and continue to go in, then guess what? The ADC has no choice but to follow and hope things go well because if they don't, the support is going to get killed and the enemy ADC will be fed anyway.
Supports have far more play making opportunities and control over then lane than ADCs; a good support can carry a bad ADC. A good ADC cannot honestly carry a bad support.
Kalikko8 votesIf you feel like you have no control over bot lane as the support, then you're honestly not playing the role right. No offense meant but supports bot lane are literally the play makers and have nearly all of the control over how the lane will progress. The only control left and afforded to the ADC is the wave control and thats it. The rest is pretty much the support setting the tone; if the support decides they don't want to play up, they end up leaving an ADC in the vulnerable 2v1 position and pretty much forcing their ADC to also play back. :/ If the support decides to play aggressive and continue to go in, then guess what? The ADC has no choice but to follow and hope things go well because if they don't, the support is going to get killed and the enemy ADC will be fed anyway.
Supports have far more play making opportunities and control over then lane than ADCs; a good support can carry a bad ADC. A good ADC cannot honestly carry a bad support.
I agree to an extent.
Not all supports are playmaker supports.
You have enchanters, playmakers, tanks, and damage supports. Some of those roles overlap in certain champions.
I think Riot has, in the past, labeled them as "poke, kill and sustain".
As a soraka, I can front-line for my adc. . .but if I get no follow up, I'm dead. If I ping my adc that the enemy jungle is coming, and they continue to fight/push/farm mindlessly, there's no helping it.
Your statements above assume that the person playing the adc role knows what they're doing. In solo queue, its the 2nd most autofilled role.
Somebody Love Me5 votesIf you feel like you have no control over bot lane as the support, then you're honestly not playing the role right. No offense meant but supports bot lane are literally the play makers and have nearly all of the control over how the lane will progress. The only control left and afforded to the ADC is the wave control and thats it. The rest is pretty much the support setting the tone; if the support decides they don't want to play up, they end up leaving an ADC in the vulnerable 2v1 position and pretty much forcing their ADC to also play back. :/ If the support decides to play aggressive and continue to go in, then guess what? The ADC has no choice but to follow and hope things go well because if they don't, the support is going to get killed and the enemy ADC will be fed anyway.
Supports have far more play making opportunities and control over then lane than ADCs; a good support can carry a bad ADC. A good ADC cannot honestly carry a bad support.
The only supports with agency over the lane are engage supports (which is why Alistar, Rakan, etc are so fucking dumb). As an enchanter or something not super out for blood, you don't have much control at all
Z3Sleeper4 votesPretty false. Even Janna and Soraka exert tons of control via their poke tools.
Somebody Love Me3 votesPretty false. Even Janna and Soraka exert tons of control via their poke tools.
In the current meta, a Janna/Soraka will have more agency than a Alistar/Thresh? Doubtful.
Especially in Lucian/Draven lanes. They kinda dictate the pace of the lane until a mistake is made.
EROTIC RAID BOSS4 votesNo, all supports, except like taric, pretty much dictate how the lane is gonna go. its like 70/30 support determined early game, while adcs have more power late game
Dorans Pants2 votesIf you feel like you have no control over bot lane as the support, then you're honestly not playing the role right. No offense meant but supports bot lane are literally the play makers and have nearly all of the control over how the lane will progress. The only control left and afforded to the ADC is the wave control and thats it. The rest is pretty much the support setting the tone; if the support decides they don't want to play up, they end up leaving an ADC in the vulnerable 2v1 position and pretty much forcing their ADC to also play back. :/ If the support decides to play aggressive and continue to go in, then guess what? The ADC has no choice but to follow and hope things go well because if they don't, the support is going to get killed and the enemy ADC will be fed anyway.
Supports have far more play making opportunities and control over then lane than ADCs; a good support can carry a bad ADC. A good ADC cannot honestly carry a bad support.
A good support can carry a bad adc through the laning phase (which is pointless if your adc sucks) But a good adc can carry the game after a bad laning phase if he gets the chance to catch up
saltran7 votesYeah that's true, lane is decided for Supp and Jng.
But that's fair, adcs need to be weak on early.
Kamaitachi IV7 votesI main jg my self and I would honestly say, 90% of the time I win game without even seeing this botlane.
To be honest game right now are about mid and jungle only.
say u're an adc who's 20/0 and got 10 ganks and all of that, leblanc will still delete you out of a team fight in a second. nidalee will still insta kill u, Irelia will tp from top and destroy both u and ur supp.
It's really rare that I find an adc who carries games, unless u're talking about 50min game or smth (which doesn't usually happen)
Baby Ghoul5 votesThat's true except it is usually the ADC that has the accident.
Either way the fate of bot lane, and thus the entire game, is almost entirely based on how the junglers do in mid lane.
HopeStartsWithU5 votesYou know what annoys me the most? People literally here on the boards flame about how shitty their adcs are and how they deserve better, while I have yet to see an adc who isn't dragged down by his support. It's insane how many shitty support mains I've met on my journey to plat 5.
2Charmnot2Charm2 votesYou know what annoys me the most? People literally here on the boards flame about how shitty their adcs are and how they deserve better, while I have yet to see an adc who isn't dragged down by his support. It's insane how many shitty support mains I've met on my journey to plat 5.
Most of those support mains main it cause they are so garbage that they can't play any other role. Literally shown them 3 of my accounts all that have 60%+ winrates in mid/high plat with almost nothing but support games.
Clearly there is something I'm doing right to be climbing easily by spamming support as an ex. mid main that these monkeys complaining about their adc's aren't doing.
Supports have absolute control on laning phase, end of discussion.
HopeStartsWithU1 votesNo shit it's so easy to climb as support but it's boring as hell. If I ever get filled I usually just play some random shit that isn't just shielding and BOOM free lp. And NOT ONCE in my fucking life time have I seen an ADC suck as much as his support did.
2Charmnot2Charm1 votesIf I ever get filled I usually just play some random shit that isn't just shielding and BOOM free lp.
If it was just shielding that needs to be done these "support mains" wouldn't be bitching about their adcs', when the problem is how they play support in lane.
Also how do you not find making the enemy team rage in all chat fun?
https://i.imgur.com/Jb56Bbt.png
There is nothing better than tasting the salt from the enemy team caused by the support player.
HopeStartsWithU2 votesI mean I just ignore the chat most of the time unless it's from my team. But yeah it's actually pretty funny lol
Hayaishi24 votesBest thing is ADC do not carry even after they get ahead. You still get one shot by top laners and most mid laners.
ADC is worthless this meta.
Intocabille3 votesBest thing is ADC do not carry even after they get ahead. You still get one shot by top laners and most mid laners.
ADC is worthless this meta.
That is what I was saying, had a game where I was like 6/2 ahead over enemy marskman who was like 2/4 ... and still it meant nothing because enemy Zed just point and clicked me and deleted me almost instantly. You cant get near enemy to use your range because of all the BS skips hops and jumps that every other champion is loaded with, especially the assassins. I get it, they need gap closer to get into fight... but then there is no fight because it is just that one-sided. As I also said before and got downwoted for it, as marskman I am supposed to help with sustain damage and take turrets, drakes and barons... but there are so many bruisers etc who do the job better and safer it is hilarious/sad.
Ackelope4 votesi do feel more dependent than ever on my support to play forward and have some presence in the lane to be able to do stuff for most of the lane. if they stand back and don't do much for most of the lane, it's really difficult to do anything other than let the enemy push, sit under tower, and wait while the enemy gets a farm advantage because they're basically playing the lane by themselves.
i think adc doesn't have 0 agency, but it can really feel like it does if your support doesn't have much presence in the lane.
Dracocrash4 votesLol, if adc is so garbage, why do marskmen as a class have the highest playrate out of any champ??
Zardo5 votesWhy?
ADCs are the staple of pro play and people mimic pro play. Coordinated teams create room for ADCs to have agency. They still can't destroy laning phase unless they're a draven or jhin.
ADCs used to be a lot stronger than they are now, and people started playing them then and enjoy playing those champions. Even when swain and vlad where better picks bot people did not really play them because they queued up to play marksmen whent they queued up for bot lane.
Mind you, they're not garbage, but that's why they're picked despite their lack of agency.
Shablagoo2 votesYa sure man take all the responsibility away from yourself
Intocabille2 votesI still try to play as Marksman, usually taking Cait because it gives me false sense of safety. I am also masochist and like to be called names and wished death to me and my family, so I am pretty content now.
saltran2 votesLmao Caitlyn is one of the worst adcs right now, dont play her if you dont want to be slaughtered
Hexs Fortune2 votesAs ADC, the outcome of your Bot lane varies greatly by team and there's not much you can do about it.
Keeping a level head through the madness and how you play after laning can turn the game in your favor.
