Since Udyr is getting a new skin, can we have some changes to make him useful beyond 15 minutes?

Yenn··2 votes·700 views

Or at the very least, making him a more generally useful pick in Diamond+ games?

As it stands, he only functions as a very niche pick against very specific and very rare team compositions that are lacking CC and mobility, or arguably as a counter-pick against weak early jungles (who will still very quickly outscale him, regardless of how well he shuts them down early).

In the scenario where he's counter-picked, he's just completely useless at all stages of the game, and doesn't get to have any impact during the only part where he's normally supposed to have any relevance.

One obvious place to look for changes is Phoenix Stance, which is inferior to Tiger in every single way. I could list off half a dozen reasons why Tiger is better than Phoenix, but the 3% pick rate says enough. This could probably be replaced with either an actual ultimate or something that covers his mid game weakness.

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Done252 votes

Udyr needs a rework in general. Phoenix Stance could probably be made into an actual ultimate to give him an actual power spike. Udyr can't ever be strong because he's never weak. You can flash an Ori ult. You can flash a Nid spear. You can't really flash Bear Stance, AA, Tiger Stance, AA, AA, AA, AA etc.

There's just no room for skill expression in Udyr's kit. Even Yi can time his Q to dodge stuff. They need to give him SOMETHING.

Phoenix also currently suffers from the fact that Tiamat basically invalidates its existence by doing AoE clear better and more easily than it ever could.

Rip Rengo 20161 votes

E buff would be nice.

Yenn1 votes

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E buff would be nice.

Buffing the movement speed would just make him more frustrating to play against for immobile/low CC teams, and wouldn't really help him at all against mobile/high CC teams, because movement speed based mobility is too easily shut down unless it's at Rammus levels.

Buffing the stun wouldn't really do much, either. If he can get on top of the target, he generally wins, unless it's something like Jax or Pantheon, which are straight hard counters and it wouldn't matter anyway. It might help him be a stun bot for carries late game, but at that point, you're better off picking an actual tank with more utility.

Rip Rengo 20161 votes

** If** he can get on top of the target,

A lot of High elo Udyr mains on reddit say this is all he needs, MS on his E.

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