Spooky Ghost is a bit silly at the moment

DillyDallyGhosT··4 votes·788 views

Either the slow itself needs to be nerfed or the duration needs to be reduced. You're seeing 2-3 a game depending on the comps because it's mana regen is also good with an absurd active.

It needs to be toned down to be more of a support item and not be abused by solo lanes, starting from spell thiefs and up.

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Rebonack3 votes

Has it occurred to you that maybe it's being spammed because AP/CDR options are really lacking?

IcyPepper1 votes

I agree.

It's less of a "this item is overpowered" and more "options in this stat are typically underpowered, so this average item is getting a lot of attention."

I mean, we just had mana pots removed a few patches ago. Obviously people are going to take what they can get :V

DillyDallyGhosT1 votes

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Has it occurred to you that maybe it's being spammed because AP/CDR options are really lacking?

How are there any less AP/CDR items now than there were last season? Riot didn't get rid of any CDR on AP items and even added some to a few. AP champs especially take CDR runes, so CDR probably shouldn't be as big a deal as you're leading on. And Morellos and Athenes are still superior by far as they both offer a combination of more CDR, mana regen and more AP. They aren't taking it for that reason.

It's mostly for the mana regen and active that the item is being taken, not to mention spell thieves gives 8 gold up to 3 times in 30 seconds if you harass, which adds up.

Pasta Help Desk1 votes

They either need to tone down item 3092 or buff item 3165 . Since the only reason people myself included are abusing Frost queen is because its cheaper than morello, provides better mana sustain than morello, has a bad ass active, provides gold per 10 and has a passive that allows you to collect more gold just by poking towers or enemy champs.

CoolKnightST1 votes

Nerfing spellthief would hurt mage support a lot now they finaly get to see the light of day. What they better do is make the other option finaly viable again:

  • item 3028 this one is funny they litterly took the item 3114 price & add the cost of item 1033 to it. I can see 2 directions with this:
    • Reducing the combine price making it more price effective so it cost like 900 or 950 gold
    • Buffing the item stat or passive wise to make it more worth to get it
  • item 3174 with AP harder to come by & most sustain focussed into the passive the item just became to champion depended.
  • item 3165 is honnestly not that bad. It's the seconds cheapest 80 AP item right now. The problem comes with the situational passive. After the GW nerf the passive is even worth less gold. We are getting to a point where the identity of this item start to get problematic.
DillyDallyGhosT1 votes

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Nerfing spellthief would hurt mage support a lot now they finaly get to see the light of day. What they better do is make the other option finaly viable again:

  • item 3028 this one is funny they litterly took the item 3114 price & add the cost of item 1033 to it. I can see 2 directions with this:
    • Reducing the combine price making it more price effective so it cost like 900 or 950 gold
    • Buffing the item stat or passive wise to make it more worth to get it
  • item 3174 with AP harder to come by & most sustain focussed into the passive the item just became to champion depended.
  • item 3165 is honnestly not that bad. It's the seconds cheapest 80 AP item right now. The problem comes with the situational passive. After the GW nerf the passive is even worth less gold. We are getting to a point where the identity of this item start to get problematic.

The mana regen mastery make up for this tho, it's pretty good. It's 75% of a chalice alone lol.

The item just needs to be nerfed. Buffing chalice again is a mistake, when chalice has been good, mid lane just becomes AFK non interactive wave clearing mages.

CoolKnightST1 votes

That's mostly because of item 3098 that grants mages 100% base mana regen for just 850 gold & 150% base mana for just 2200 gold. The only possible nerf on this I can see is nerfing item 3098 to 75% base mana & item 3092 to 125% base mana. But I'm pretty sure this won't be enouge to stop midlaner for taking it.

dannykun1 votes

It's fine as it is, it's the Other options for mana Regen that are piss poor right now. The active is nice, yes, but it's because there isn't a good comparable regen item that mages can buy. With the Prices of all the AP items being raised as high as they were, the amount of regen on most of the Major AP items is just bad compared to this one. If Riot would normalize the other mana regen items to be more in line with their price's then it would make them a lot more attractive for mana hungry mages.

It's unfortunate that by tuning Support items one gets picked up by others more than the other two simply because it's got desireable stats for an actually reasonable price.

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