It's getting tiresome winning bot in laning and then losing trades and games as soon as IE is bought

Fed by Snu Snu··6 votes·1,910 views

"Muh right click skillcap" with crit has to be fixed because this is ridiculou and goes against every single design point you have used in order to nerf other parts of the game,going all the way back to S1 and the removal of dodge. (but obviously the adc overlords are an exception to that.)

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disregardable3 votes

So buy IE.

Fed by Snu Snu3 votes

I do.

But that doesn't guarantee that I will do as many crits as my opponent, because a trade between us is a data sample of 4-6 hits, not an infinite amount. (and the other way around when I am the one being lucky)

disregardable4 votes

Eh, the idea is if you're winning lane, you'll be able to buy IE first, destroy the one without IE, and buy your next 2nd tier item before at the same time they manage to buy IE. That way you still win.

Fed by Snu Snu2 votes

And that still doesn't stop the RNG from deciding the game in the end nowadays that people give kills for free. Not to mention that its a flawed idea.

DrNova5 votes

Seriously, the RNG isnt going to make much a difference in those contests unless its close anyways, in which case it could go either way anyways. If your ahead, you have no excuse losing suddenly just because they have IE. Your items and skills should be giving you an advantage.

Methinks you just chose this as the excuse for your last loss. Cause its not actually a problem.

Fed by Snu Snu2 votes

Play without crit and see for yourself the difference it makes.

DrNova4 votes

What does that have to do with it. Please dont say stupid things just because your reaching for an argument.

The issue supposedly was when you are ahead, even if you have IE you get beat on trades. If you dont have crit well of course your going to lose. Dont play with attack speed and you'll lose. Dont play with damage and you'll lose.

Wtf is the point of that comment? Stop reaching....

Fed by Snu Snu2 votes

If you are ahead and you have IE+zeal and the other ADC has IE, they can still win due to RNG, what is so hard to understand.

And later in teamfights both ADCs will have at least IE+shiv, so once again, the first one to do 3 crits wins.

Like I said, play without crit, that's how it is when you are unlucky. See how efficient it is.

By your logic, if you are ahead without crit, you should do fine.

Yes,I have IE, that doesn't gurrantee I'll actually do optimal damage.

Stop pretending RNG makes no difference in data samples of 5-10 hits.

DrNova3 votes

No thats not how it is "by my logic" The f_cking statement you made concerned you with IE and ahead, and still losing. your getting desperate and putting words and meaning in my mouth. Weird how no one else has this issue. Shut up and play better.

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Fed by Snu Snu2 votes

Weird how no one else has this issue.

Weird how you can claim that in behalf of the whole community. Last time I checked, there are many people who are annoyed by ADCs and their "muh right click RNG outplays".

Justaco3 votes

The likelihood of losing a fight because of lucky crits in this situation is very low. In this situation, if you have a zeal you have more crit chance, so more likely to crit, and more attack speed, so more attacks and more likely to crit. Considering that the attack speed in itself is more damage too, two people just shooting each other the one with more items is going to win nearly every time, unless they are VERY unlucky.

That is in no way comparable to having 0 crit chance.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

So you are admitting it is possible.

Our difference is I don't find it acceptable.

By the way, no, the one with the zeal won't attack faster if the one with just the IE starts off with 2 crits. You are forgetting Frenzy.

See, that mastery alone scews everything towards the person who gets crits first.

Not to mention that 2 crits will equal to 5 attacks, so we are already to a point where you have to retreat.

Hayaishi2 votes

If you are ahead and you have IE+zeal and the other ADC has IE, they can still win due to RNG, what is so hard to understand.

And later in teamfights both ADCs will have at least IE+shiv, so once again, the first one to do 3 crits wins.

Like I said, play without crit, that's how it is when you are unlucky. See how efficient it is.

By your logic, if you are ahead without crit, you should do fine.

Yes,I have IE, that doesn't gurrantee I'll actually do optimal damage.

Stop pretending RNG makes no difference in data samples of 5-10 hits.

If you have IE + Zeal and he is killing you with IE alone you're misplaying.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

Am I not right clicking properly sensei?

SynergyGarenNA2 votes

buying one of the most expensive damage items tends to give you quite a large power spike.

item 3031 it also one of the most gold efficient item as well. But ya its considered to be one of the highest tier items when it comes to ADC, right up there with item 3153 or item 3078 depending on champion. That said some champions power spike with them items as well. For example a Draven with an IE, tends to have an insane power spike.

III DNA III1 votes

QQing about IE? Get one urself. QQing about lack of Garen-tea'd crits? Make a crit/dmg build and go for 100% crit chance. I do and it wins me most my games (said I have a support who does their job of course.)

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

I think crit should be removed. Not so much because of RNG being a massive problem, but physical damage already runs on AD, atk speed, and armor pen (and assuming I understand armor mechanics properly, flat armor pen will increase your damage by a percentage no matter your opponent's armor). Crit and flat armor pen are redundant, so let's keep the consistent one.

Narasimha1 votes

Its not exactly redundant. Its the difference between doing 75 damage consistently, and doing 50 damage with the occasional 100 damage thrown in.

JevelFaithful1 votes

Doesn't IE cost like 3k gold? What were you doing during the last 20 minutes?

Edit : it's 4k actually.

Espy Psyche1 votes

If you're frustrated with crits being not in your favor, try a Runaan's Hurricane build. With that item, suddenly Infinity Edge is not so valued of an item. Other items with on-hit effects, like Muramana, BotRK, Black Cleaver and Statikk become more valued than IE. Oddly enough, Tristana is prime for this because of Rapid Shot despite being the crit queen. Kog'maw is excellent this way because of Bio-Arcane Barrage providing him a percentile magic on-hit that applies through Runaan's bolts. Ashe can control an entire fight with Q toggled on because suddenly she's slowing everyone all the time.

Or play a Trinity carry that doesn't build IE. Ezreal and Sivir could be your friends. Draven can too actually if you're good enough.

Every time you catch a Spinning Axe as Draven, you refresh the cooldown on Blood Rush. Every time you use the refreshed Blood Rush, you trigger a Trinity proc.

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