Can junglers at least not have the luxury to spend 2 minutes waiting and trying over and over again for a kill?
I'd also love for matchmaking to give me the aggressive jungler for once, but alas, these days I have a rift herald knocking on my base at min 15 instead.
Douglas Funnie28 votesThe "better player wins" should be the meta.
macromite69 votesno
the better team wins should be the meta.
Knoyle2 votesI think he just meant lane but that's also true.
macromite5 voteseven lanes ought to be determined by teamplay. jungel ganks, midlane roams, top lane teleport ganks, the like.
An Undead brat1 votestop lane teleport ganks
Hi, Internet Explorer.
macromite1 voteseven though its slow it still is a thing that happens.
doiminat0r36001 votesHardly at all in lower elo. Haven't seen one in months.
I think they died with Malzahar Mid.
DepressedAhri1 voteswhat does "Malzahar Mid" mean?
Edit: I just realized this post is 6 months old and someone Necro'd it, now my joke isn't funny.
Dreadlocks4 votesYeah because 1 asshole should be able to decide the game. Real good idea.
macromite5 votespardon?
Dreadlocks1 votesIt's much much muccccch easier for 1 person to lose the game for the team being a troll, than it is for 1 good player to carry his team because he's better than the other 9.
It's fine to make it a team focused game, but not so much that 1 person has the ability to ruin the entire game. And every season riot does so more and more.
macromite1 votesStill better than the alternative, because between the two the asshole has more power in the single person carrying than he does in the teamplay.
It's a lot easier to feed one guy a whole lot than it is to feed a team.
Dreadlocks1 votesYeah giving the power to a troll is a great idea.
macromite1 votesbut in my stance the troll has less power.
Dreadlocks1 votesHow does a troll have less power?
macromite1 votesbecause in one stance the one player wins, the best player wins right? so the troll only needs to feed one guy to hell.
In my goal, the troll would need to make the entire enemy team better for it to count.
Troll for Trump1 votesIt should be better lane.
Really annoying to have laning phase be made irrelevant, and it's especially bad for lane bullies and majority of top laners
macromite5 voteslaning phase is relevant, thats the point in the game where you can make your opponent weaker than they otherwise would be.
It should NOT be the deciding factor of a game though. earlygame should set the stage for midgame, not decide the whole game.
Troll for Trump3 votesYou used to be able to do it, but not anymore.
macromite3 votesI am not saying that you can't win lane to win game now.
I am saying that you should NEVER be able to win lane to win game.
That's a stupid idea. the game has stages, each stage should be important, for this to matter the first stage should not be the stage that winning happens.
Troll for Trump3 votesThat's just it, it doesn't happen anymore.
You can't win lane to win game, you see this especially if you play a lot of top lane.
Fed by Snu Snu3 votesThat's just it, it doesn't happen anymore.
You can't win lane to win game, you see this especially if you play a lot of top lane.
As a top lane, mid lane secondary player, I've never felt more powerless.
Hell...the most success I've had is picking Morgana mid and just ensuring that whoever between the jungler and the ADC is more fed gets CC immunity.
Tobias Brackner2 votesTalk about splitting hairs.
macromite1 votesThese aren't comparable concepts at all.
Tobias Brackner1 votesWhat?
macromite1 votesBetter team is better team.
Better player is better player.
If you aren't understanding the difference then I can't help you.
Tobias Brackner1 votesA better team will beat a better team
A better player will beat a better player
A better player will not beat a better team
I don't know why this is so hard for you.
EpilepticRabbit2 votesno
the better team wins should be the meta.
That is the meta. Too many games I've been the better jungler and lost because instead of pushing the lead as a team, people just run off with the lead I gave them thinking they can 1v5 and eventually throw. Obviously asking them to group and stop suiciding is flaming and toxic, so I'd rather stay quiet and watch them die over and over.
èlo terrorist1 votesThat is the meta. Too many games I've been the better jungler and lost because instead of pushing the lead as a team, people just run off with the lead I gave them thinking they can 1v5 and eventually throw. Obviously asking them to group and stop suiciding is flaming and toxic, so I'd rather stay quiet and watch them die over and over.
This is a pretty accurate description of seasons 7 and 8. I've lost so many games because I bet on the wrong laner to be smart enough and group.
Salson21 votesI still think it's the meta.
An early game meta will always have junglers as the MVPs, because they don't actualy hard carry, just snowball their team to do it for them. In other words, some asshole made a Lee Sin meta.
Fisher No Chains15 votesThis is so god damn true. Nowadays junglers literally win games alone.
I feel like I'm totally worthless compared to junglers. Sometimes I play games in which I'm something like 5/0 LeBlanc/Syndra, I roam both top and bot to help, but my jungler does nothing and we end up losing because of our 0 objectives pressure.
If you're able to play Elise or Lee and gank all 3 lanes after lv3, even if you only give them a 10 cs advantage, you have a good chance to dominate the early game. And early game is everything right now.
Project omen9 votesThe "better jungler wins meta" has always been a thing. It's the role with the most influence in the game. The better jungler can take control of the whole map.
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I'd also love for matchmaking to give me the aggressive jungler for once
There's nothing to comment here. You're just being salty. It's ok. I'd also like matchmaking to give me a bot lane that doesn't lose by the 12 minute mark.
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these days I have a rift herald knocking on my base at min 15 instead.
Although you are exaggerating, I do get your point and I agree, it definitely needs to be nerfed.
DuskDaUmbreon7 votesYour title is…absurd. You're tired of the better one winning? Would you rather the trashy ones win?
I'm genuinely confused. Isn't the better player (with all factors included) always going to win a lane, whether the lane is an actual lane, or the jungle?
Junkο13 votesI think his point is that due to how junglers atm are the same levels as solo laners and have the same gold amount but are never in any risk of dying since they only fight 2v1s or 3v2s. This basically invalidates all the skill from laners, since their lane is decided by junglers and not themselves, which in extension means the better jungler decides the game.
This is especially true in higher elos since the laners usually don't make any major mistakes, so it's completely up to the jungler to get kills for his team. And even if somebody is making a lot of mistakes or the enemy laner is just really good, all the jungler needs to do is camp that lane and disaster averted.
ForgiveColour2 votesLmao go read the apdo post on the state of the game from few months ago. Literally he said the best way to win is to cripple the jungler
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Can junglers at least not have the luxury to spend 2 minutes waiting and trying over and over again for a kill?
I'd also love for matchmaking to give me the aggressive jungler for once, but alas, these days I have a rift herald knocking on my base at min 15 instead.
They will never be punished. Ganking junglers are KING because catchup experience is stupid right now. Ganking junglers will always be the same level as power farmers due to this.
Sohleks4 votesLaners are also responsible for how successful the enemy jungle is though. And their own too, but to a smaller degree.
A mid laner with map presence is also hugely relevant.
Theorchero3 votesI agree, honestly. Have the camps respawn quicker and give less exp. If junglers want to sit there for 2-3 minutes they should be reasonably punished if the kill doesn't work out. Atm fast clear junglers just wipe their jg and have 2-3 minutes to kill. It's silly and doesn't achieve what they wanted the jungle changes to in the first place.
deadlychuck3 votesI wouldn't even call it "better jungler wins", it's not really even jungling anymore imo.
The correct decision is always to gank. Forget smite? NP. Just take the buffs, and roam between the lanes applying pressure. There is no jungling involved anymore, it's more akin to fucking river shen than actual jungling.
muted team chat3 votesI feel like 90% of games are decided in bot lane. I can't believe how stupid bot lane players are. It's not even "who's best?", it's "who is less bad."
Flawless Fetus2 votesLol. This has been the meta for 7 seasons :^]
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Lol. This has been the meta for 7 seasons :^]
No it wasn't.
Season 3 the jungler didn't have the luxury to camp so hard. They had one chance and they had to make it count, then catch up, then repeat. Lanes actually had breathing space.
And we also had much more reliable warding. Now we have so many blind spots and time that it's all to their advantage.
Later on we had the feral flare and devourer silliness, but still.
Lanes were also not pretty much over with a single kill. Right now a death at level 6 means the lane's pretty much done due to just 1 level disadvantage. And most junglers currently even go as far as to wait until you return to the lane so that they get an easy kill (since you've blown summoners) and you're done. Why? Because they have the luxury to wait, why not just go for the overkill and ensure that you have absolutely 0% chance to come back into even being able to contest creeps from now on.
TittiesRUs1 votesThere's a reason farming junglers have never been meta...
DunkinNoobs2 votesI wish it was a "better jungler wins" meta. It is when the teams are even, sure. But I lose tons of games where I'm clearly the better jungler because one of my solo lanes in braindead or one of my bot laners trolls the other. Kill exp is so fucking high that all it takes is a couple free kills fed to the enemy jungler for him to outlevel me despite me having 60 more CS at 15 minutes.
CasterGilgamesh2 votesim sick of all these junglers(
) being able to keep trying over and over again to gank me with no consequence besides hoping my junglelr is smart enough to counter jungle (they never are)
Tobias Brackner2 votesPlayers need to learn to be more aggressive.
THE TIME OF PASSIVITY HAS ENDED
PLAY AGGRESSIVE OR LOSE
STOP BANKING ON A 40 MINUTE GAME
The Pro Pain1 votesOr you could play to the strengths of your team
Tobias Brackner1 votesNo champion prefers to be passive.
All champions benefit from aggression
SwordOfWar2 votesSo true. People are afraid of winning.
Tobias Brackner2 votesThis is one of the most baffling things but it's so true and more people need to realize this.