I think thematically it would make more sense if Mordekaiser was an AD champion

SaltyToplaneGoat··26 votes·1,474 views

I know what the logic behind making him AP in the first place was, mainly "oh he uses dark magics, so OBVIOUSLY he should buy what all mages buy!". And that kinda made sense in season 1 I guess, but let me explain something to you.

But before that, a question: who here knows the show Hellsing:Ultimate? It's some gore-crazy slightly-over-the-top action series mostly centered around vampires. Quite in the beginning there is a conversation to "why should you fear the vampires?". Is it their ability to hide in the dark? Their power to manipulate blood? Their control over rats and bats? Tjheir insane regenerative capabilities? All those are fearsome tricks, but all of them can be taken care of with the proper precautions and preperation. There is just one thing you cannot prepare for: for how FREAKING STRONG the monsters are. Even if you neutralize all their tricks and special abilities, you still have to worry about the vampire just walking up to you and tearing your head off with one hand.

And that's what Mordekaiser is. Yes it is true it seems impossible to kill him and that he controls the mist as well as the undead that dwell within - but that's not your problem when facing off against him. The main problem is that he probably won't NEED any of his "tricks" as he will just crush you with sheer size and physical power alone.

Morekaiser's archetype is not the "Undead Overlord" or "Lich-King". He is, or rather was, pretty much a "barbarian king" - the strongest the world had ever seen - who now just HAPPENS to be undead. And you don't get to be the "barbarian king" by birthright or smarts - you get it by being the strongest, meanest, and most cruel in an entire culture revolving around strenght (you know, the ancient culture freaking NOXUS emerged from). That's also the point where he's suddenly not a simple villain anymore: in his worldview and cultural moral views conquest and domination are just natural, and if one wages war that doesn't make them "evil", but a completly normal human being utilizing the strenght he has accquired to change the world around him to his liking.

We have just seen it in the Pentakill video - the dude's HUGE. No, he might appear like that because the yordles are so tiny, but he's pretty much twice as big as Yorick. Given that he's hunched over I can estimate that the man is about three to four meters in size. Now, would such a man, of such size and with such build, would even bother with magic when going to battle? Barely, in most cases he'd just crush your skull with his bare hands, and for the harder cases he still got his weapon, a mace that most humans probably couldn't even life because if its weight.

So yeah, if you rework him, consider making him a proper Juggernaut who doesn't have his itemisation all over the place.

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Malevolent Metal12 votes

I am going to use a really tired comparison but still. I imagine him like Sauron, a mage that uses spells to enchance his strikes rather than brute force. It also fits his arogant tone - Mordekaiser sounds more like an inteligent prick rather than a back ally thug - his strenght is knowledge , not muscle.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

I beg to differ: he's smart, alright, but NOT a mage. That also means he's smart enough to know when magic is not needed.

Yes he gives of that "evil overlord" thing, but he's definetlly NOT Sauron who's some ancient spirit or something, dunno about LotR lore. Mordekaiser WAS ORIGINALLY HUMAN AND NON-MAGICAL. And then, when he already had some shitload of power, he wanted more and dabbled into black magics.

That's what makes him so terrifying: even if you strip him of all his powers, he's still a brute strong enough to just end the fight with his fists. Everything else is just a bonus that changes his status from "dangerous" to "impending doom"...

IcyPepper5 votes

All of that suggests he should be a hybrid champion who focuses on AD, but knows how to use AP as well.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Nah just an AD juggernaut with one or two really powerful spells that are not weapon-related. That should do the trick.

IcyPepper5 votes

And I assume that one or two powerful spell would scale off AP?

Like what I said.

Focuses on AD, but can use AP. Aka an AD juggernaut with a powerful spell or two.

MuffledGarbage4 votes

I always thought of Mordekaiser in a way similar to Bane from batman...

He has the smarts and strength to murder you with one hand if he so feels like it...

but he's gonna use everything he has on you because in thier minds they > you, always. So they might as well make you feel utterly crushed and hopeless.

(plus the lich magic used by Morde is why he's alive still so...yeah)

Silverjust1 votes

dont you think the new urgot is inspiered by bane?

NinjaGuy691 votes

Mordekaiser likes his bitches how he likes his maces. Thicc and metal.

Hella Kaiser2 votes

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he's smart, alright, but NOT a mage.

His corpse is lying in the shadow isles, while his armor goes around conquering stuff!!!

Even if he's hitting you with a mace, that mace is moved by black magic! the only physical thing here is gravity!

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Ya know, a tank is also powered by gasoline, but it's sure as hell not the gasoline that's gonna blow you up. Fuel =/ Output.

Especially in this case Mordekaiser would be careful to not use any magic where it is not necessary, as he would run "out of juice" soon...

Hella Kaiser1 votes

Real life physics applied to a source of power in a videogame... Nice.

But thematically without that AP that you are building, he wouldn't even be able to move... As for "running out of juice", his corpse is in the shadow isle... An unlimited source of magical power. By giving him physical power what are you gonna give him? More muscles? Guess what... He literally doesn't have them... A better mace that needs more magical power to be lifted?

He moves through magical power, his mace swings are powered by magic...

If you want the Q to deal physical dmg fine... But it should scale from ap, and not ad...

His armor is basically filled with black magic. It basically is black magic itself... It makes complete sense to scale from ap.

Malicious Metal11 votes

I respectfully disagree.

Mordekaiser can work really well as a hybrid since items like item 3146 item 3151 item 3053 and item 3116 already work really well on him.

Galio for example is MASSIVE too but he uses AP. I agree though, Mordekaiser definitely has to feel HEAVY and METAL when they get around updating him.

Meep Man1 votes

I really want Mordekaiser to keep all his current weaknesses (no mobility, low base movement speed, not a ton of crowd control), but be the epitome of Juggernauts to where getting near him, even if he's like 4/12, can pretty easily endanger the life of even the most fed enemy carry. Mordekaiser just feels like the kind of dude who would sacrifice everything for durability and damage. Him being AD or AP or Hybrid matters little to me. Like any champion, he will just adapt to the new items available to him post-rework and, hopefully, maintain his theme.

Skins Project1 votes

(item 3078) (goes great with that steraks 2)

Edit- That being said I love the idea that mord works well with both ap, ad, or hybrid.

The idea that you as the vicious warlord choose how you cursh your enemies. Do you destroy armies all at once, by cursing the very ground below them... And leech their life?

Or do you crush each enemy with your strikes, killing them in one blow...

Or do you do a lil of both, unkillable and fearsome.

50000000000000004 votes

Oh geez, I thought Malevolent Metal was you... Is it Rubick changing his name again?

Hella Kaiser1 votes

i think that a good compromise would be making his q scale with ap but deal ad dmg. he's hitting you with a mace... moved by magic, but still a mace.

Mordepool1 votes

Didn't explain why AD>AP for a Rework direction.

I agree with your point that He should be able to walk up and Crush his foes with superior strength. That doesn't happen in "League of everyone has flash+ Mobility"

However if you add Grounded CC to his Kit in a Gated form the Thematic riot has been pushing on Morde

"Hulking Armoured Giant slowly closing in on his target while they are helpless to escape the inevitable"

Would actually work

Rinkle Dinkle4 votes

TBH I think people really over inflate the league of mobility meme. I rarely have a problem doing my job as mordekaiser if I play or position properly. I think complaining about mobility these days is just a cop out.

FearlessCreator1 votes

100% agree, a morde main in korea hit challenger

Mordepool2 votes

Asking for the tools to be effective in a Mobility dominant game isn't the same as complaining about mobility. Especially when the reason I'm so adamant about it because it Fits Mordekaiser Thematically

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Idk why you're so adamant on pushing Grounded in kits it doesn't belong.

Mordepool2 votes

Provide an actual counter argument as to why grounded doesn't fit thematically on Mordekaiser and you may find out

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I honestly don't see any thematic reason to put grounded on Morde's kit, only gameplay reasons.

Hella Kaiser1 votes

maybe in his ult... as he's stripping your soul from your body you're being kept near your soul. preventing you from flashing or you would leave your soul behind.

Mordepool1 votes

^

Hella Kaiser1 votes

Coz you know... Feeling your soul being ripped off you body would be cripplingly painful.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

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Still not seeing it. Would fit better on Illaoi E thematically, since Morde doesn't get your soul unless you die.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Still not seeing it. Would fit better on Illaoi E thematically, since Morde doesn't get your soul unless you die.

Blåbæret1 votes

AD or AP doesn't matter.

GamerThink1 votes

I totally agree. And it's also the reason why they totally failed with him to create the "first melee marksman". Of course they may keep some AP ratios as they have done with other marksmen to make hybrid itemization viable.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Really? Do you really want to see Morde capable of fully abusing AD itemization?

Blicky Finicky1 votes

If you think Mordekaiser is an ap champion. You don't know my champion. I'm mastery 4 silver Morde one trick. The only way to play morde correctly is as an AD bruiser JUNGLE. Start by building item 1400 then go into boots and item 3078 then go tank items.

Example final build: item 1400 item 3047 item 3078 item 3065 item 3742 item 3075 .

item 3175 helps as a situational item if you need to increase your Rengar jump range and thus helping Morde's mobility issues

RizHippoKhan1 votes

make him have double scaling!

Skins Project1 votes

You say that but you don't see my builds..

item 3116 item 3078 item 3053 & the rest is adaptable.

Tri mord is fucking strong.

Jeddite1 votes

Morde needs his /joke reworded to substitute "weapons" for "women".

L Rayquaza1 votes

So you are saying he likes an Iron Maiden?

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

He is AD, hybrid doesn't take away from him being so.

ChompyWulf1 votes

Morde getting his lore updated (again) is a perfect example of writers getting paid to muck around and change beloved classics in all the bad ways.

I sincerely miss his old lore, the ambiguity of a mystery figure emerging from the depths of Nexus, clad in armor and seeming to be followed by plague and withering disease, a master arcanist fearfully postulating that the armor did not protect Mordekaiser from the world, but rather protects the world from him.

Now instead we have a random undead ancient warlord with a cult and obsession about his own bones. For the love of god, these writers missed the lesson that oversharing info strips away mystique and lessens a legend.

Fear the Kayn1 votes

What if for his rework, they made his passive kinda like Vladimir

Where if you buy AP items, you get some AD in return. Vice versa as well.

Spoofghoul1 votes

wasn't Sion the strongest warrior who now happens to be undead ?

^^

I mean he is a bit bigger so there is that

Honestly i think It would make sense for Mordekaiser to scale with AD & Armor I mean he is wearing a giant fat ass armor suit and wielding a gigantic mace

Also they should just make his passive work omnivamp style so he can use more items to make it regen

Perhaps they could make him both the bulkiest and the most mobile juggernaut But make that revolve around the passive, no shield = a lot of movement speed. Or perhaps an ability to detonate the shield to get rid of it to gain that movement, ofc with a cooldown before he can start building it again, not a huge cooldown but something which gives him some decision making in whether he wants the mobility or the bulk

I think Morde has a lot of potential he just doesn't make much sense now

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