Shen Q and E Scaling Swap

Meep Man··1 votes·663 views

I propose swapping the scaling for his Q and E, making it so his Q scales with health and his E scales with AP. Since Shen is wanting to get off his Q for damage mainly, I find it strange how it doesn't scale with what he builds. Then his E, which is mainly used for the Taunt and Dash, gets the scaling. Anyone else agree with me here?

19 Comments

Dreadlocks5 votes

Shens Q dmg is already really good, buffing that to have the scaling of E would be stupidly broken.

Meep Man1 votes

It would not be a damage buff, but a transfer of damage. More damage on his Q that he mainly uses for damage and less damage on his E, which he doesnt use for damage.

bunies4 votes

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It would not be a damage buff, but a transfer of damage. More damage on his Q that he mainly uses for damage and less damage on his E, which he doesnt use for damage.

moving more damage on to a spammed skill results in more damage, aka a damage buff, which he does not need

Fellix7221 votes

Because dealing less damage than before the rework is totally acceptable

Fellix7221 votes

Except it does less damage than it did before the rework along with marked damage and his previous passive.

Dreadlocks4 votes

If you are dealing less damage with new Shen, you are doing something wrong.

Fellix7221 votes

No, I'm dealing less burst damage and damage over all (Because no Rylias synergy) plus I have little to no chance to secure a kill since I have no hard hitting/slowing Q

Dreadlocks3 votes

Rylias? Since when was that ever core on Shen lol.. item 3068 item 3047 item 3065 item 3748 item 3075 Is pretty damn good on him, and for a last item, you can pretty much buy w.e you need, item 3078 item 3071 item 3512 item 3083 item 3026 item 3053 item 3153 item 3091 item 3022 the list goes on...

Fellix7221 votes

Yes because we should totally force a champion to go one build at all times, seriously I build Shen Full tank with the exception of Nashors tooth and Rylias Crystal Scepter. If you cant understand how awesome those two items were for post rework/nerf Shen then it really is a waste of time trying to talk to you.

Dreadlocks3 votes

Agreed, not gana try to persuade someone who doesn't want to be good at the game that a certain build isn't ideal.

Fellix7221 votes

I won every single ranked game I played using that build. the only Ranked placement game that I lost was when I was forced into ADC.

Its not your ideal build but for me I crunched the numbers and maximized his damage by building him with attack speed and tank items. Thornmail is a waste on him, or at least it was. Now that hes just a bullet bag I guess it suites him. But then again there are many other characters better suited for that role so why would I waste playing Shen when I could play Say Rammus?

Dreadlocks3 votes

We arn't arguing remember?

xShiNjiNx3 votes

What a stupid item to build on Shen, fucking waste. lol

bunies1 votes

no, damage scaling from hp is a dumb ass idea, and should just be removed from champs that already have it

Fellix7221 votes

Shen should just be removed from game because of how badly his abilities work together anyways.

Thund3r Ang3l1 votes

Old shen was a single burst damage and you needed to build some damaging item to duel propely. New shen have a more damage overall and you dont need damaging items to deal a lot of damage.

Fellix7221 votes

Yet all the opponent has to do is run away and there isn't a single thing Shen can do about that anymore. There is no punishing move

INB4 Q slows them, yea I forgot that I already used Q to try and kill the enemy, and now that they are running away they are not in line with my Q recall

rG Thundrag1 votes

If you want to suggest an actually reasonable q change at best you could do is.

Give a slight amount of his monster/minion damage to a very small flat base damage on his Q so he does better early/mid game

Currently he does MAGIC DAMAGE: 3 / 3.5 / 4 / 4.5 / 5% ENHANCED MAGIC DAMAGE: 5 / 5.5 / 6 / 6.5 / 7% NON-CHAMPION BONUS DAMAGE: 30 / 50 / 70 / 90 / 110

Instead it could be MAGIC DAMAGE: 10+3% / 14+3.5% / 18+4% / 22+4.5% / 26+5% ENHANCED MAGIC DAMAGE: 10+5% / 14+5.5% / 18+6% / 22+6.5% / 26+7% NON-CHAMPION BONUS DAMAGE: 20 / 36 / 52 / 68 / 84

Quepha1 votes

The AP scaling isn't to make you build AP, it's just so Shen gains some small benefit from items with AP on them like Guinsoo's. The ratio is not good enough to actually go out of your way to build AP.

It's better to have the % enemy max hp damage on his Q to keep his autos always feeling impactful no matter what target he's hitting.

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