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We Need to Start Redeeming What Has Been Lost, Not Bringing in More New

Meep Man·Jan 5, 2017·163 votes·6,759 views

Champions That Need VUs/VGUs/GUs: (some have been stated by Riot themselves)

In 2016, a total of 6 new champions released, pushing the art style and gameplay priorities of League of Legends further into the future. In comparison, a total of 4 champions were updated individually in 2016, being Shen, Taric, Ryze, and Yorick. There was also the Mage Update and Assassin Update, but it is safe to say that SOME of the champions updated there are still in this list and were more made better to make them not quite as bad during the wait for their updates. What I'm saying is that, with this speed, champions aren't getting updated fast enough and more and more champions will begin to fill this list. More and more will need updates until League of Legends will look like a Frankenstein of varying art styles spread out over many years of development. It will look really bad.

Riot Games, you need more teams designated to Champion Updates. The list above doesn't even include some of the ones that MIGHT need a VU since they have aged relatively well. Currently, it seems you have 2 Champion-Up teams. I think that number needs to be doubled or at least be bumped up to 3. The list is getting larger by the day and we already have about a fifth of the roster here. Slow down new champions until the rest of the game is out of the Ice Age.

EDIT:

VGU LIST:

GU LIST:

VU LIST:

Some of these are strange even to me, but have been stated by Riot to be on "The List". This is the likes of Cho'Gath, Rammus, Teemo, Volibear, etc. Some in the VU department may also questionably need a GU as well, such as Vladimir and Nocturne. P.S. The reason Rumble is in the VU is mainly due to his "rig" still making it insanely hard to make skins for him.

202 Comments

BastionKrossJan 5, 201725 votes

Riot has said they've actually slowed down new champion production to work on upgrading existing champions, but even at this effort it's not going to be enough. How long have WW and Galio been in the works? The better part of a year, in the werewolf's case. That's too long, considering the list of champs that need modernizing is only going to get longer as the months go by.

Updates need to either be quicker, or there needs to be more champs getting updated at the same time.

For me personally, I would gladly sacrifice new champs to update older ones quicker for a season or two. The big reworks tend to end up being a practically new champion in the end, so I don't see the downside here.

Well, I do see the downside here. Lots of players already own the champs getting updated, so there's not going to be that RP splurge that comes with the debut of a new champ if a large portion of your playerbase gets it for free. Yes, selling the reworked skins can bring in some money, but I'd be willing to bet Riot didn't make half the money off the Yorick rework than they did Camille.

StillnameJan 6, 20175 votes

The downside is when they mess up a rework it takes away a champion that a lot of people have put hundreds or thousands of hours into.

They have been getting better at reworking champs, but if they rush the reworks too much and start throwing new/un-experienced development teams into the mix, they risk breaking the game for a lot of people and losing customers for no gain.

Ionian VulpixJan 5, 201725 votes

They may all need a rework, but only after Ryze

NightmareAmazoXJan 5, 20174 votes

After a newer Ryze we seriously will need another Ryze rework.

MhihnjJan 6, 20172 votes

don't forget the Ryze rework after that

VoidStaresBackJan 5, 201713 votes

To answer why Cho'Gath needs a VGU:

His kit is outdated and doesn't have any coherency to it, he basically has a dead ability come mid-late game in his e. He's frustrating to play against when ahead due to massive damage and high inherent tankiness but, conversely, falls off the planet if he gets behind because he actually loses tankiness with every death. He's the second mage-tank along with Galio and, much like Galio, needs a rework to improve his thematics and game health. VU-wise while his model is okay it could be better and his particles are absolutely atrocious.

Leo1024Jan 5, 201712 votes

Yeah Amumu has had the same splash art since TPA won worlds back in Season 2

VeltoxJan 5, 20173 votes

What's wrong with it?

Dabrick01Jan 5, 20171 votes

I'm alright with the splash, but he NEEDS at least a VU. I kind of just want his ability icons to get redone.

AnidanJan 5, 20172 votes

Season 1 icons, bois.

SpecterVonBarenJan 6, 20176 votes

MS Paint icons, bois.

SwarovskoJan 5, 20179 votes

Caitlyn is fine tbh, I don't really think she needs to be reworked, she just needs some nerf on her E and less zoning with her W.

Meep ManJan 5, 201714 votes

I should have separated this list into different categories. She could use a VU is my point.

SwarovskoJan 5, 20173 votes

I honestly find her perfectly coherent with her lore and identity. I don't think she needs any kind of change, but maybe it's just me.

Meep ManJan 5, 201715 votes

It's not that she isn't coherent, it's that her looks are outdated. Her model could be prettier and much more "hextech" than her current one. Plus, Caitlyn has the biggest opportunity for a stellar VO due to her cop/detective nature.

SwarovskoJan 5, 20174 votes

I didn't think about that. My bad.

Meep ManJan 5, 20175 votes

No problem my dude

ZephyrDrakeJan 5, 20177 votes

half of the champions there do not need any VUs/VGUs/GUs

sit kidJan 5, 20175 votes

Yup. Not excactly sure how only 3 champions can be top tier for each role when there is 134 champions.

Worlds 2016 had 50 champions above 3% play rate, what the fuck?

GULAG 4 UJan 5, 20175 votes

Putting Yasuo with kalista, Azir and Aatrox? what?

Aatrox's entire kit resolves around "I have more stats" or "no", and you put Yasuo with him?

Anyways whatever about that.

Then again Kassadin, Jax, Udyr, on your list belong to the VGU, their kits are outdated and in kass's case pretty broken.

Overall it's a decent list, but very minor mistakes.

Meep ManJan 5, 201713 votes

Kassadin is weird. Whenever he is touched gameplay wise, he gets extreme. His current kit is pretty great and balanced, so I wouldn't change it a lot. Jax I wish could get a rework, but a lot of people disagree. Plus, I want them to update his Visuals much quicker than his Gameplay since he could be so much more than an eggplant.

Udyr doesn't need gameplay changes. Minor if any. Udyr players love the guy and others don't have an issue with him.

GULAG 4 UJan 5, 201710 votes

+1 for mandatory eggplant meme

Hello I am BirdJan 5, 20175 votes

GU is a broad term. It just means that the champion needs a gameplay update. It doesn't matter the scale they need the update on, but they still need it.

GULAG 4 UJan 5, 20173 votes

Okay I can agree with that then.

Hello I am BirdJan 5, 20174 votes

Hey now this is the league of legends boards. Wheres the swearing, the disagreement without respecting my opinion?

RebonackJan 5, 20174 votes

Kog was mentioned along with Corki as a VGU candidate by a Rioter in the 'You guys need to do VUs again' topic.

Though it sounds like Kog and Corki are lower on the list than the obvious major players.

I'll agree, though. I believe there are currently three(?) new champion teams. That should be dropped down to two or even one to increase the pace of updates. League already has a ton of champions to choose from and many of them are very out of date.

DaNinadJan 5, 20173 votes

What's wrong with veigar?

JbelsJan 5, 201736 votes

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What's wrong with veigar?

Disgustingly old particles, current voice needs to die, model needs an overhaul

Edit: To everyone who replied, I understand you love his voice, and by god you are some patient saints for not having that voice drive you insane. Maybe they can find a way to implement a voice that still sounds incredibly funny when you consider what words that voice is producing, without the earsplitting pitch. Sorta like Omega Squad Teemo

NoSkillWreckingJan 5, 201715 votes

You need to spend money in order to get his VGU remember? Just like Udyr

/s

R2D20Jan 5, 201752 votes

sounds like a **short **fix is in order

PaladinNOJan 5, 201744 votes

Just a little tweak.

R2D20Jan 5, 201737 votes

a small adjustment

Sraeg2013Jan 5, 201721 votes

Veigar ARE THOSE SHORT JOKES?

PaladinNOJan 5, 201718 votes

Nah, I wouldn't go so low as to make short jokes about such a small part in the big picture. Would be a tall order to get huge laughs from that.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

"Who's talking anyway? I hear voices, but I don't see anyone. :O"

N KomaedaJan 6, 20172 votes

Veigar really has some tiny flaws. Although I don't think he's high on the list, I guess we'll have to endure the length of waiting.

VeltoxJan 5, 20176 votes

Actually i say his voice fits pretty well his disney villain-like personality.

KassimilaJan 5, 201720 votes

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Disgustingly old particles, current voice needs to die, model needs an overhaul

Hell NO! His laugh is awesome!

NightmareAmazoXJan 5, 201727 votes

His voice is what defines Veigar.

Meep ManJan 5, 20175 votes

http://40.media.tumblr.com/3be7dd30be6f4fa351fa8f7faa291598/tumblr_niyfvgLaiB1qgrdiqo3_1280.jpg

Mainly this. Base skin particles especially could use some updating and a lot of the skins' cages could use some work. Would benefit a lot from a new VO.

Spice POWAHJan 5, 20173 votes

Cassiopeia needs a VU? I always thought she looked fine.

Meep ManJan 5, 20176 votes

It's less a full VU, but that we have new tech that can be used to make her tail look better in-game and not just jerk around when changing directions.

Spice POWAHJan 5, 20171 votes

oh, I gotcha, you want it more flowy I guess?

Meep ManJan 5, 20175 votes

Yeah, we have the technology with Aurelion Sol and I think Ahri

Faceroll TacticsJan 6, 20171 votes

Ahri's tails contract and stream behind ahri when she moves, iirc there is no tech in place for them in terms of flowing with movement.

Meep ManJan 6, 20171 votes

I think Ahri's hair has the tech attached to it

TeCoolMageJan 6, 20172 votes

Lissandra was given a sassy hairflip too

Lady YukiJan 5, 20172 votes

Imo there's nothing wrong with Irelia, Mordekaiser, Pantheon, Shaco, Urgot, Volibear, Xin Zhao or Evelynn's current looks. They just need gameplay updates.

CasterGilgameshJan 5, 20174 votes

Pantheons feet look horrible he looks so ugly ev's hair is from dragonball Z shaco meh Xin is meh Voli is alright Mord needs a VU so bad most people are tired of seeing his Pizza feet and irelia is clearly out dated looks wise

Lady YukiJan 5, 20171 votes

Mordekaise got a visual update. He needs a gameplay update.

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound, complaining about champions' FEET in a BIRDS EYE VIEW game?

AcidTheWarlockJan 6, 20177 votes

Pizza feet are ugly as sin.

They got one, two more to go.

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