Back in the old days, knockups were rare, so ways of removing and reducing cc were really good. Now, it seems every team has at least 3 knockups, meaning tenacity is worthless. It is the only form of cc that can't be removed.
l MrD l42 votesMaybe its riots way of pushing more yasuo comps in the LCS o_O
TehNACHO3 votesHonestly, wouldn't mind this.
Having more specific interactions in game make the Pick/Ban phase, especially in competitive League, that much more interesting. The Xayah and Rakan friction during the Pick/Ban phase in competitive, for example, is actually kinda fun to watch.
ChaddyFantome7 votes[{quoted}](name=l MrD l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lxFEH5ce,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-26T16:28:34.203+0000)
Maybe its riots way of pushing more yasuo comps in the LCS o_O
Considering the next like 5 champs after Yasuo's release had a knockback in their kit, i'm pretty sure that they were trying to promote him at the time at the very least.
Mordepool28 votes35% of the cc in the whole game are displacements.
Guess which 30% of the champion roster has been Meta for Several years.
Tenacity is a useless stat. As it's currently designed. They just buffed it in the Rune tree to improve it popularity and has had no effect.
Der Lindwurm12 votesThis is why I never understood why so much whining about Kat.
xelaker6 votescdr on kills or assists makes her stupid strong when ahead? granted I dislike refreshing cd on anything so I have a bit o bias.
TehNACHO10 votesWell the idea is, since such a strong form of CC is so common, and Kat is so countered by hard CC, why are people complaining about Kat.
It's almost as if both issues, the abundance of knock ups and Kat's potential output, are both complex and nuanced problems that go beyond a single slogan that most Boards threads try to tackle.
Or not, who knows.
50000000000000004 votesKat is weak to hard CC, but after the rework that weakness is partially reduced. If her dagger is about to land on her and she's locked down, she'll still do damage. And she has more options to jump compared to pre rework as well.
TehNACHO6 votesOn top of this, the vast majority of knock ups are skillshots, proximity checks, and/or delayed, meaning if you're crafty about it you can outplay the CC with basic positioning skills.
It's almost as if both issues, the abundance of knock ups and Kat's potential output, are both complex and nuanced problems that go beyond a single slogan that most Boards threads try to tackle.
CasterGilgamesh11 votesits a circle jerk so no logic is allowed people complain about champions shut down by hard CC then complain about hard CC riot cant win even if they tried in the words of someone wise "bitches bitch"
Solitair2 votes[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lxFEH5ce,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-26T16:29:16.816+0000)
This is why I never understood why so much whining about Kat.
Because when any 2 of her abilities and an auto or less than one second of her ult can kill a squishy, knock up may not matter
PowerSlave9937 votes
Hmm that's a lot
Penta Ace23 votesyou are missing quite a few
PowerSlave9932 votesYes I know i missed a few, i was in a hurry. My mistake.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesTrundle does not count for lists of knockups. Ever.
His "knockup" is there so you don't get caught in the pillar.
It's the same reason we absolutely do not count Anivia.
50000000000000005 votesYasuo can ult off if it, but the duration is negligible enough to not itemize for tenacity to counter it.
DuskDaUmbreon5 votesHe can ult off of it, but it's the same reason Anivia and Yorick's Ws knockup - you'd get trapped in it.
iDemacia1 votesYeah because spaghetti code
SoryInAdvance1 votesNot spaghetti code. Spaghetti code is an actual thing, not something used to describe bugs.
3TWarrior1 votesspaghetti code is the term riot used to describe its game for the first game engine it ran on. Everything was in place, but things overlapped unexpectedly, causing problems
now think of every line of code like a string of spaghetti and that's why they used the term
a bug such as getting stuck in trundle's pillar would be easy to fix as well: simply make the character move away from the center location of the pillar a fixed distance
flibitydoo3 votes...aka just knocking them away from the pillar?
webstar11082 voteswebstar11082 votestis NOT a knock up. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Airborne#Airborne
webstar11083 voteshttp://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Airborne#Airborne 31 camps have "knock UPS" you have trundle, thresh, mao....those are knock backs
GayFluffyUnicorn15 votesStill a displacement not affected by tenacity.
webstar11082 votesLMAO love your sum name XD With Knock Ups you can use things like QSS half way through. Tenacity is still a great stat to have. (slows, stuns, blinds, roots, cripples, charms...etc) "The forced movement of airborne effects cannot be removed by cleansing effects. However, Quicksilver, Mikael's Crucible, Battle Roar, Ragnarok , Remove Scurvy and Unbreakable Will can be used to remove the stun effect. Once the user is able to activate abilities: a dash or blink ability can be used to overrule the airborne. Note that Cleanse Cleanse, specifically, cannot be used to do this."
Humble Aatrox7 votes
Hmm that's a lot
and
webstar11083 votesGUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS look.....there is a site that is very helpful in this convo. 31 champs have a "knock up" many other champs have "airborne cc" like Knock aside or knock back. Just because Yasuo can ult off of it does not mean it is a knock UP. It means they are airborne. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Airborne#Airborne
Zed genius6 votes *laughs
SociopathFriend5 votesThere have been several lists made of all the CC, knock-ups and otherwise, on this very board; they're not "too common" unless you define it better and same with "too powerful"- especially given that most knock-ups require you to be in much closer range than the other forms of CC and thus it's less safe.
There are far, far more crowd control abilities that offer CC than there are knock-ups. I believe the ratio was something like 3 or 4 to 1, which sounds fine to me.
xelaker7 votes 
Champs with some kind of knock up or displacement. Some are pretty small, yes, but they are all unaffected by tenacity. Pretty much just skimmed the list and grabbed anyone I was decently sure that yas could ult off of or that moved a champ some distance unaffected by tenacity. The list is 60 peeps out of 134(?) champs. something like 44% of champs have some sort of displacement stuffs.
(note:I probably missed some or added some you don't think are worth the list, and I blamed this list up before class starts here so this isn't a thorough effort. Instead of downvoting and telling me I have autism, holla attcha boy if I made a mistake)
FutureCreator1 votesIf you're gonna include super short, insignificant, unintentional knock-ups from W, then should be on here too.
xelaker4 votesthe point isn't about about severity so much as it is about the increasing amount of cc not affected by tenacity. yorick added. forgot about his wall
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesRemove Anivia and Trundle. They do not ever count for these lists.
Unless you'd rather their terrain be what amounts to a root, that is.
And Quinn? She doesn't have one, does she?
webstar11086 votesAnivia Trundle Yorick are all knock backs. and Yes quinn is on this list correctly
ChaddyFantome2 votes
Add these to the list! :D
thats 59 champions out of like 130. and a lot of these champions have more than one.
Zach xD3 votesI don't even know what can be done with Tenacity to make it a more valuable stat at this point. Maybe you can remove it and re-allocate the gold budget elsewhere on the items, maybe Tenacity can be reworked in some way (maybe damage reduction while CC'ed, the reduction increasing with tenacity. In this case you could easily make it work with knock ups as well), I don't know what the best way to do it is. Tenacity is a tough stat to make appealing, because it's only valuable when you're in a bad position. Basically if you're "stacking" tenacity, it's worthless if you actually end up avoiding CC, which is ultimately the goal.
webstar11082 votesYep. There are 31 champs with knock ups. This is not including knocks or throws like Draven and Gnar which can my Yasuo ulted.
Warlord Scrap1 votesYorick has a knockup too and noone ever knows thid. Granted its more of a mistake knockup than something to go for.
webstar11085 votesTis not a knock up it is a knock back. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Airborne#Airborne
Warlord Scrap1 votesAre you sure because it you land it perfectly yas has a small duration he can ult them
Votable Jester4 votesYas can ult on knockbacks too.
Warlord Scrap2 votesthe more you know. I never play yas tbh
webstar11082 votesyea anything "airborn" knock back, knock ups
DragonShea2 votesTis not a knock up it is a knock back. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Airborne#Airborne
It's still an airborne displacement
webstar11082 votesNever said it wasnt. There are 5 forms of 'airborne' status in the game
Trias0002 votesmeaning tenacity is worthless
Is it why I see at least 3 
per team in every pro game?
Mordepool6 votesIs it why I see at least 3
Magic Resist. They could strip off the tenacity and drop the price accordingly.
You will still see 3 in every game.
Trias0001 votesMagic Resist. They could strip off the tenacity and drop the price accordingly.
Ok, then why do they take 
? You can't cleanse knockups. If tenacity was useless, cleanse would be too.
Also, for a mage it would make more sense to build 
+ 
if it was only about magic resist. Yet they often choose .
Zach xD3 votesCleanse is much more powerful than Tenacity. Consider the damage creep in the game currently; you can non-exaggeratedly be killed in a second in some cases (team fight, assassin, etc). If you get hit by a stun for 1.5 - 2 seconds, the value of removing it completely and being able to flash is much higher than instead reducing the stun duration to 0.75-1 second because realistically in that scenario, you'll likely still die.
As for Mercs over Sorcs, that's mostly a meta adaptation. In competitive play, mid laners typically clear waves and roam, almost robotic like. The incentive to harass, fight, and contest your lane opponent isn't very high currently, so Merc's ends up being a safer buy (You don't get as much mileage out of sorc's in a passive lane).
