"dOn'T fIrSt TiMe NeW cHaMpS iN rAnKeD"

The Highest Noon·Mar 7, 2019·4 votes·3,313 views

And so I first time Kayle in Ranked and get promoted to Silver after a few hard carries. [sg-lux-2] Why do people say don't do this?

64 Comments

KFCeytronMar 7, 201917 votes

Because you can't always rely on someone hard carrying you while you learn a new champion.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

Except I hard-carried with Kayle,

SOOOO IIII MEEEEEAN

ZackTheWaffleManMar 7, 20194 votes

not everyone is as truly exalted as you are, m'lord

DeathBurstMar 7, 201915 votes

Because one exception doesn't disprove a statistic.

ZackTheWaffleManMar 7, 20196 votes

underrated post

FOR JUSTICEMar 7, 201913 votes

all that means is you got lucky.

try that with leblanc, yasuo, riven, shaco, hell even singed.

and anecdotal evidence means nothing.

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 7, 201911 votes

Because it is a hideous idea and results in feeding your ass off.

You got a couple lucky games, which is not indicative of anything.

AbiwonKenabiMar 7, 20199 votes

Because most of the time, people inexperienced with a Champion won't perform well. When you go into ranked, the expectation is that you are playing your best and pulling out your most experienced picks. Someone picking a Champion for the first time, on average, is going to under-perform compared to someone who has hundreds of games on the same Champion.

And maybe it worked out for you, but I would say statistically speaking, it doesn't work out more often than it does.

People want to win in ranked, and having teammates experienced with their Champions is going to help that. That's why people don't want others first timing Champions in ranked.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

I think knowledge is just as important as "experience" when it comes to this game, though. If you do your research, you will more than likely outperform anybody who's had even 20 games with the champion.

DeathBurstMar 7, 20196 votes

I think knowledge is just as important as "experience" when it comes to this game, though.

Yeah, you said it yourself. "As important". Meaning experience IS important too, and no a first timer won't likely outperform someone on their main champ and from a comparable MMR.

Anyway, good job with that baity thread, people sure are replying. Not sure why you think it's fun, but well... Personally I just think it makes you look like an ass, but you do you, I guess.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

I'm an ass for competantly outperforming everyone I'm against with my first time using a champion?

Then what does that say about those that underperform with champions that they've played for years?

Experience is important, but knowledge can make up for the lack thereof. You don't need experience if you do your research. Experience only matters if you're...well, an idiot.

DeathBurstMar 7, 20194 votes

Yeah, the baits are really becoming too big for me, I can't swallow them at this point. I'm out.

Enjoy your -50 Fake Internet Points, I suppose.

OlympusSwornMar 7, 20195 votes

Lol cause kayle is broken rn. Do it with singed and i will be impressed

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

I did, some years ago.

SOOOOO IIIII MEEEEEAN

OlympusSwornMar 7, 20192 votes

In that case duo with me pls

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

Hell no I hate going duo unless it's with my friendo. I should probably make more league friends but tbh I've been playing for 7 years and have only consistently played with 2 people.

Light BurnerMar 11, 20191 votes

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Lol cause kayle is broken rn. Do it with singed and i will be impressed

he did say promoted to silver so it goes to show you the bronze mentality LOL

KanzlerMar 7, 20195 votes

Because bronze is so bad you could pick a cannon minion as your champ and hard carry.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

Hol up fam don't insult Cannon Joe like that. He does his job 100% without fail. He'd be Master if he were allowed to do his own thing.

stanjer123Mar 7, 20194 votes

This is why the boards aren't taken seriously.

SomeOneButNoOneMar 10, 20194 votes

"I aM sO gUd At KaYlE tHaT i PoSt FrOm DeAd AcCoUnT cUz FaLsE nEwS"

heroikcMar 7, 20193 votes

It's only a lucky streak that will end horribly if you're not careful...or get your brain out of the fridge.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

I'unno, man. Hell, after the first game I already figured out the basics.

Maybe it's becuase I've been playing this game since Season 3. It's really not that difficult to actually learn a champion after like one or two games when you understand the ins and outs of the game itself.

heroikcMar 7, 20193 votes

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I'unno, man. Hell, after the first game I already figured out the basics.

Maybe it's becuase I've been playing this game since Season 3. It's really not that difficult to actually learn a champion after like one or two games when you understand the ins and outs of the game itself.

Won't work with a second champ, I assure you. And that's why you have norms; no risk to anyone and you can try champs in a mildly realistic setting.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

It's worked with every new or updated champion for the past 5 seasons lol After Season 4, applying experience to new kits became easy.

heroikcMar 7, 20193 votes

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It's worked with every new or updated champion for the past 5 seasons lol After Season 4, applying experience to new kits became easy.

In theory, yes, it DOES work like that. In practice, especially in solo queue, it's considered too risky, and you might be slated for griefing (playing/acting in a way that makes it harder for your teammates to perform optimally in game).[slayer-jinx-unamused]

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20191 votes

That's almost impossible if you know the game, though.

heroikcMar 10, 20192 votes

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That's almost impossible if you know the game, though.

That's still incredibly generic and does NOT excuse anything. Afterall, you can know everything about the game, but if it's a game that is everchanging, it's essentially pointless. Not to mention there are exceptions to this rule where some champs just don't apply to a given norm (i.e. Fiddlesticks?)

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

If you believe that this game changes so often and extremely that basic gameplay techniques don't apply, I have some bad news for you...

Basic gameplay techniques have been applicable since I began this game, and if you can properly perform even the basics then you'll play well regardless of who you're playing, regardless of what experience with that champion you have. There's a reason why most, if not all, pro players will say the same thing:

First you need to learn the basics.

Ever since I actually took the time to learn the basics, it's been smooth sailings...at least, in regards to my own gameplay. Solo queue is solo queue, after all.

heroikcMar 10, 20192 votes

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If you believe that this game changes so often and extremely that basic gameplay techniques don't apply, I have some bad news for you...

Basic gameplay techniques have been applicable since I began this game, and if you can properly perform even the basics then you'll play well regardless of who you're playing, regardless of what experience with that champion you have. There's a reason why most, if not all, pro players will say the same thing:

Ever since I actually took the time to learn the basics, it's been smooth sailings...at least, in regards to my own gameplay. Solo queue is solo queue, after all.

Basic gameplay HAS to remain the same, otherwise the game itself changes. It's the variables outside that is what should be of concern; runes, items, opponents, champions, teammates, gold prices and rewards, objectives. It's not like Pros become pros by "learning the basics"; they learn the basics...and go beyond. Find positions and roles to specialize in, builds that work, make contingency strategies if things go bad, understand potential counters, etc, etc.

What you declared was "I want to be a burden and have my team babysit me or I'll feed". And baby, that's not good learning.

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

No, that's in no way, shape nor form what I declared; that's what your inner toxicity led you to assume. That's the reason why so many toxic players exist in this game's playerbase, and it's a shame. The only advice I have is, get over it.

Just so you know, pros are pros because they have teams to play with. What's a pro player without a team aside from someone in solo queue like the rest? Trust me, there are a lot of players better than pros who aren't pros themselves, just because they don't sign with a team.

heroikcMar 10, 20192 votes

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No, that's in no way, shape nor form what I declared; that's what your inner toxicity led you to assume. That's the reason why so many toxic players exist in this game's playerbase, and it's a shame. The only advice I have is, get over it.

Just so you know, pros are pros because they have teams to play with. What's a pro player without a team aside from someone in solo queue like the rest? Trust me, there are a lot of players better than pros who aren't pros themselves, just because they don't sign with a team.

Says the guy who overgeneralizes, which is a cheap means to try and shy away and bs challenges by exagerating claims and reality. That's the reason why so many trolls exist in the playerbase and it's a shame. The only advice I have is face it and get real. By the way, going roundabout with the point and calling me wrong and explaining why by insulting me is not an effective counterargument.

And guess what? Not everyone has a team, and pros tend to make strats together so as to maximize they're overall effectiveness. And in many cases, some pros started on their own or in other teams; in other words, pro players kinda HAVE to be strong on their own anyway. There are also hams who exaggerate claims to make themselves sound better, or pros don't really care much for the limelight. Overgeneralization for the loss. [zombie-brand-clap]

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

[sg-lux-2] I insulted you?? I'm sorry that you don't comprehend basic statements???

I'm just saying, don't make assumptions based on your own toxicity.

heroikcMar 10, 20192 votes

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[sg-lux-2] I insulted you?? I'm sorry that you don't comprehend basic statements???

I'm just saying, don't make assumptions based on your own toxicity.

To be fair, you don't seem to understand gamer etiquette of not unduly risking your teams chances by playing remade hi-risk champs, so I don't see why I should bother accepting your rules of "toxicity".

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

Assuming, criticizing, and stereotyping someone based on the most negative circumstance your mind could possibly think of is almost certainly the product of toxicity, but please correct me if negative stereotyping isn't toxic behavior.

[sg-lux-2]

heroikcMar 11, 20191 votes

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Assuming, criticizing, and stereotyping someone based on the most negative circumstance your mind could possibly think of is almost certainly the product of toxicity, but please correct me if negative stereotyping isn't toxic behavior.

[sg-lux-2]

Assuming it's okay to bring new champs without playtesting? Criticizing those who do not approve the practice? Stereotyping yourself as upperechelon? Pot calling Kettle black.[zombie-brand-facepalm]

EschetonMar 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lv7bmqnE,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T15:42:10.009+0000)

It's worked with every new or updated champion for the past 5 seasons lol After Season 4, applying experience to new kits became easy.

The champs tend to come out OP. And you are low enough elo that your inexperience doesn't get punished. Enjoy the wins. But understand the odds.

The Highest NoonMar 11, 20191 votes

It's difficult to "understand the odds", tbh. It's like trying to explain the risks of gambling to someone that's never lost at slots.

TheAppleTree25Mar 10, 20193 votes

Dude, I looked you up, your unranked. SOOOOO, why do people lie about their ranks?

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

You looked up one account that I haven't used in a year.

[zombie-brand-clap]

heroikcMar 10, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lv7bmqnE,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-03-10T16:49:49.943+0000)

You looked up one account that I haven't used in a year.

[zombie-brand-clap]

Then why not post from there? Or are you lying about it all? Such deception, if I am not wrong, is reportable.

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

Why would I use any other account aside from the one I'm known for and spent the most time on?

Because it's what you want?

[sg-lux-2]

heroikcMar 10, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lv7bmqnE,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T19:19:29.878+0000)

Why would I use any other account aside from the one I'm known for and spent the most time on?

Because it's what you want?

[sg-lux-2]

So we can verify your claims from your match history; I'm pretty sure only 2% of users (and that is VERY generous estimate) know you on this account; the rest of us don't.

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

There is not a single person on these Boards that don't know me by this account, because it's the only account I've used on Boards for the past 7 years.

Ye Olde BomberMar 10, 20192 votes

I mean, I can see why they didn't like it. Good on you for hard carrying, but if that was me, id feed my ass off playing a champ for the first time, especially in ranked.

The Highest NoonMar 10, 20191 votes

In my defense, I actually do my research into a champ--following the development, Spotlights, etc--before they champion or update even releases. So it's not like I have completely 0 knowledge of the champion.

Ten Summer SunsMar 11, 20192 votes

If you're following up on champion release info, and reading champion bio/kit functionality, and actually researching the champion.. then anyone who can play league of legends can play that champion at their given ELO. The problem is trust.

If your team doesn't trust you can play your champ, you're likely to lose. No teamwork.

The Highest NoonMar 11, 20191 votes

Reminds me of those duo junglers that only help the lane that they're duo with.