...you're constantly on teams with toxic asshats who seem to enjoy trolling, intentional feeding, and overall just making your life miserable.
But hey, let's punish the ones who call them out on it, right?
This game's environment does not encourage positivity and it shows.
hhaavviikk9 votesbecause calling out trolls or people who feed on purpose doesn't help, quite the opposite in fact, trolls will be delighted to see you calling them out as they now feel validated as you give them attention
The Highest Noon5 votesAs true as that is, it doesn't explain why anybody should be punished for doing it.
Xidphel4 votesAdding to the toxic environment.
6KEMBE4ORBA2 votesbahahaaaahah Calling out troll/griefers = adding to the toxic enviroment, my fking god.
Close the boards and shutdown League's servers.
Voldymort1 votesplease explain how "calling out trolls" makes things better instead of worse. I'll wait
The Highest Noon3 votesThe argument isn't whether or not it "makes things better/worse", it's whether or not it's punishable.
Me saying "they're trolling" will not in any way shape nor form affect anybody's gameplay, unless they're easily influenced and shouldn't be on the internet in the first place.
Voldymort2 votesMe saying "they're trolling" will not in any way shape nor form affect anybody's gameplay, unless they're easily influenced and shouldn't be on the internet in the first place.
Just because it doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean everyone else can do it too.
The Highest Noon2 votesJust because it affects someone else doesn't mean it should matter. There are people who get tilted when people play certain champs in certain roles that they are historically viable in. That doesn't make their concerns valuable. There are people who get tilted when people don't do specific things in-game. Their feelings don't make their concerns valuable.
Voldymort1 votesnobody is concerned with what you personally think is of value and what isn't
The Highest Noon3 votesExactly. And stating that a criminal is a criminal is not objectively toxic.
Midg3t7 votesikr, imagine busting your ass off in ranked, making sure you make minimal mistakes throughout the game, only to have some1 playing like they don't care (which sometimes evolves into trolling), making all your efforts useless. Which is exactly why I don't want to play this game, I'm tired of that shit..
The Highest Noon3 votesI'm not even upset about bad players. It happens. Mistakes and broken champions happen.
I'm specifically talking about those that feel like trolling is the answer when things don't go their way.
Because making the game worse will definitely make it better.
rujitra5 votesThis statement could be applied to you too. I don't understand why you feel like flaming is the answer when things don't go your way. Because making the game worse will definitely make it better.
As another note, trolls want you to get mad and respond. If you shut up and ignore them, they aren't getting what they want, so they won't be doing it much longer. If you give them the reaction they want, they feel empowered and will keep trolling. Thus, by flaming them for it, you are feeding and exacerbating the problem.
The Highest Noon3 votesThat's just it, though. Just because you ignore a troll doesn't ensure that the trolling will end. Neither does pretending like it's not happening. If someone is intentionally feeding, you should be able to say "they're intentionally feeding".
rujitra5 votesWhy though? All it does is turn one problem for your teammates to deal with (the troll) into two (you not focusing on the game, being rude, spamming chat with useless things, etc).
The Highest Noon3 votesThat is, assuming that's the case. If you remove all the assumptions, all you're saying is "they're intentionally feeding". That's not being rude, that's pointout out why a player immediately dies every time they return to lane.
rujitra3 votesYou don't get punished for saying it once. If you repeat it to the point of harassment, then it becomes punishable.
The Highest Noon3 votesIs it harassment when they keep doing it? When they also grief everyone else on the team? If they're still doing it, they're still doing it, and you should be able to say "they're still doing it".
I don't understand why rules exist to protect players that intentionally and blatantly break the rules lol
rujitra2 votesTheir behavior does not matter. When you type something in the chat, your entire team (or potentially also the enemy team) has to see it. You are not talking to them in a vacuum. You are punishing innocent players just because one player violated the rules.
And yes, if you continually call them out, that is considered harassment.
The Highest Noon3 votesBut, they're not the ones being called trolls. The troll is being called a troll. Sure, that "you're causing problems for everyone" logic applies in some situations, but when you call a troll a troll whenever they troll, how are your allies being punished? As you said, this isn't a vacuum. The troll that is trolling you is also trolling the rest of your team. More often than not, they too are calling the troll a troll.
rujitra2 votesIf I go into a restaurant or movie theater, I may not be the one getting chastised, but if someone else is harassing another customer it still negatively affects my experience at the restaurant.
The Highest Noon2 votesIf someone is harassing someone else in a movie theater, everyone will tell them to shut up.
6KEMBE4ORBA2 votesThe r%%%%%ed mental gymnastics you are reaching though.
Your examples have zero logic connection to the issue presented in the thread.
If someone is not being quiet at the movie theather, I'm gonna make them be quiet/or get them thrown out one way or another and you the pussy will be thankful as well as the rest of the people there.
Sadly, doing the same in LoL aka putting the troll/the offender in the spotlight (in order for him to get punished) gets you punished.
So, stop with the bulshit. Understood?
rujitra2 votesYou “making them get quiet” is going to get you thrown out, as well as likely them.
You reporting them to the management will get them thrown out.
You do not need to “put [them] in the spotlight in order for him to get punished”. Your report will do the same as if all 9 players report them.
6KEMBE4ORBA3 votesFunny, now you're even telling me what happens in real life.
I have my ways and I've never been thrown out from the cinema, kinda surprising for you - or maybe not because you know you're talking unreailstic stuff.
Riot's approach towards soft int + moreover borderline trolling to obvious trolling has resulted in the current situation and community overall perception over these issues.
"putting the spotlight" is exactly what stands behind any justice system - it's public condemnation for the offender's actions. It's needed for the public to know that the system works ---> NEWSFLASH.
Yes, 1 report on its own can trigger the report system --->
----> I'm pretty certain that having 100 reports instead of 10 in the span of 20 games makes a difference in the system. Otherwise the moment someone's been reported in the post screen, the button would go "inactive" for all other wanting to report the very same player. OR are you implying (in this case you need to get a rioter to respond here and back it up) that a vast part, if not the majority of the players' reports are just placebo, huh? :D
Pretty weak, I expected more from you.
AeroWaffle2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=0002000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T19:47:30.961+0000)
But, they're not the ones being called trolls. The troll is being called a troll. Sure, that "you're causing problems for everyone" logic applies in some situations, but when you call a troll a troll whenever they troll, how are your allies being punished? As you said, this isn't a vacuum. The troll that is trolling you is also trolling the rest of your team. More often than not, they too are calling the troll a troll.
If you're insulting the troll and yelling at them, you're feeding the very reason that they are trolling. The saying, "don't feed the troll" exists for a reason. Giving them the reaction they want just encourages them to continue. I wouldn't want someone on my team encouraging the troll to continue trolling.
The Highest Noon3 votesHow realistic is that thought process? If nobody but you knows that the intentional feeder is intentionally feeding, are they intentionally feeding? Because it's chat logs that ultimately determine whether or not they are. There's a reason why soft-inting is an issue.
Silent Gravity1 votesWhen you have an int feeder on your team, you're unhappy.
When you have an unskilled/outplayed/countered/camped player on your team, it's not the best, but it happens.
If the other people just think that an inter was countered, you 'informing' them about the inting makes the game feel worse for them.
When someone is punished for inting/griefing, the chatlog is irrelevant. It is used as public proof during smitings, but that is just because it helps convince the forum population, not because it was used in determining if their actions were punishable.
The Highest Noon3 votesNooo, it definitely is used.
Again, soft-inting is an issue.
As you yourself just said, others would just think they were countered or are playing poorly. If it's possible for people to believe that this person, who is actually intentionally feeding, isn't intentionally feeding at all, why would the system believe anything different? Someone is literally inting and you're saying that they should be allowed to get away with it?
Silent Gravity1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T18:50:43.148+0000)
I don't understand why rules exist to protect players that intentionally and blatantly break the rules lol
You think the rules are "protecting" the trolls? From what? Your words?
The words that they're actively looking for?
That's like saying "I'm going to sleep with this guy so he stops bothering me"
The Highest Noon3 votesAnd that's exactly what some people do. Your point?
Midg3t3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-06T16:40:07.179+0000)
I'm not even upset about bad players. It happens. Mistakes and broken champions happen.
I'm specifically talking about those that feel like trolling is the answer when things don't go their way.
Because making the game worse will definitely make it better.
I'm not talking about bad players. I'm talking about those players who don't care about ranked, aka, 4fun players. Those who will play ranked, but instead of using everything they can to turn the game in our favor, they will just play whatever they feel like, however they feel like, without caring whether or not we win or lose.
sry if it's hard to understand :/ cant explain better than this.
tadeocean2 votesThe Highest Noon1 votesTBH it's a possible solution. Fact is, Riot does NOT encourage significantly positive behavior. It's really just a "hey if you're positive you won't be punished" and that never flies in the real world lol
Karunamon2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-03-07T19:30:45.992+0000)
TBH it's a possible solution. Fact is, Riot does NOT encourage significantly positive behavior.
Pretty much this. In fact, the system seems tailor-made to annoy you if you want to not be toxic.
If you get a rager on your team:
All you can do is blow it out your ear, and sit there and play out a miserable match because one person decided they weren't going to give a shit that day.
The Highest Noon2 votesI will say that you're allowed to vent frustration to a limit. You can say you're angry. You just can't make it seem like you're angry about someone lol
dnsup1 votesPretty much this. In fact, the system seems tailor-made to annoy you if you want to not be toxic.
If you get a rager on your team:
- You're going to waste 30 mintues of your life putting up with them
- You're more likely than not going to lose LP
- You can't remove yourself from the foregone conclusion (leaverbuster)
- You can't express the slightest hint of frustration at this situation you've been placed in
- You can't even soothe the annoyance with the hope that the rager will get what's coming to them, because they have to rage/int on many more games before the hammer is swung.
All you can do is blow it out your ear, and sit there and play out a miserable match because one person decided they weren't going to give a shit that day.
This is actually wrong.
Also, the header that you use to bold your opinion is absurd.
tadeocean1 votesIt's really just a "hey if you're positive you won't be punished" and that never flies in the real world lol
Oh God, so true!
Don't know what Riot thinks, but community should tell them "think" properly about that problem. This should be fixed!
Yes, I think you are right.
They really act the way you say, but with minor difference: actually they don't punish most "even too toxic" players, only some goes under punishment, while 90+% still plays a game like nothing happened (doing whatever they want and how they want). And while bad players get no "real" attention, good players don't get support either .
Riot should understand that being nice to others is "effort", yes.. in this game it is trully an effort, cause every day having the same mental stability is very hard. For some even one "bad" game can ruin a whole day (even in a real life)
I have to say.. or they start to encourage "significantly positive behavior" (like you said, not just average good) or they are doomed! Bye bye rito..
The Highest Noon1 votesPretty much. While I do think it's rather easy to be nice and respectable, fact is the game promotes otherwise. The only way to remain respectable is if you just don't communicate with anyone. I've noticed that when I just mute everyone from the start, yeah I don't get as tilted but I don't feel positive neither. It's just... "Yeah, it's a game. Next?" I don't even feel like honoring anybody after the match.
Deliberate Inter1 votesPositivity isn't for fun. It also isn't a product of fun or the people you are around at any given moment. If you are healthy and matured you will always be positive 100% of the time and be a beacon of character unto all others. You will also be better at what you do or attempt. It's not something you have to try to do, but it is natural, effortless and from the outside looking in, unmistakable.
The Highest Noon2 votesToo bad this isn't realistic. War isn't positive. Law-enforcement isn't positive. Being an adult isn't positive. Being intelligent isn't positive. Sometimes, you have to be negative in order to do the right thing. Sometimes, you have to be negative in order to be righteous.
That's why people criticize this game's rules. You have to actively suppress the urge to be righteous in order to be "positive".
If someone is being harmed, the right thing to do would be to stop whatever's harming them. In this game, if someone is being harmed (verbally) you have to ignore it. And that's just how it is.
If someone is being harmed, the right thing to do would be to stop whatever's harming them. In this game, if someone is being harmed (verbally) you have to ignore it. And that's just how it is.
im curious to understand how being toxic back is going to make the first guy "stop harming" instead of giving him the attention his hissie fit demands
The Highest Noon1 votesWhat makes you think that "being toxic back" is what will get you punished? You can not say a single thing directed towards them. Hell, they don't even have to be aware of it because you can block them which in turn blocks your comms from them. You'll STILL be punished, just because you're saying something like "they're intentionally feeding" "they're taking farm" "they're ruining the team dynamic" "they're doing whatever they want" "they won't stop" "this would be good if they weren't trolling" "we could win if they'd stop inting"
If someone is intentionally trolling to ruin the team, you as a player are not in any way whatsoever allowed to mention it in-game, and that's the bottom line according to Riot Support. If you do not ignore the toxicity, you are part of the problem.
And that's a goddamn shame.
Voldymort1 votesYou'll STILL be punished, just because you're saying something like "they're intentionally feeding" "they're taking farm" "they're ruining the team dynamic" "they're doing whatever they want" "they won't stop" "this would be good if they weren't trolling" "we could win if they'd stop inting"
you know why? it's because saying those things is targetted harassment. you're not accomplishing anything by stating obvious negative things about them other than putting them on the spot
and it's not ok
The Highest Noon1 votesWhy isn't it ok? Why is it not ok to see that someone is running it down mid and saying "they're running it down mid"? That's as bad as the fact that we're not allowed to quote champions if they're negative dialogue.
Voldymort1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T15:33:20.563+0000)
Why isn't it ok? Why is it not ok to see that someone is running it down mid and saying "they're running it down mid"? That's as bad as the fact that we're not allowed to quote champions if they're negative dialogue.
Them's the rules. If you can't abide, you should go play something else.
The Highest Noon1 votesThe rules that are decided by us, mind you. As Riot themselves have said, aside from the 0-tolerance rules, player behavior guidelines are determined by the region.
Voldymort1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:50:32.540+0000)
The rules that are decided by us, mind you. As Riot themselves have said, aside from the 0-tolerance rules, player behavior guidelines are determined by the region.
The region as in "the players from that region"
Bodideyn1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p3BumZgN,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-06T16:29:32.504+0000) This game's environment does not encourage positivity and it shows.
tons of damage comes from nowadays matchmade quality if im correct
The Highest Noon2 votesThat and an inability to properly deal with this game's toxicity and those affected by it. Why does Riot expect everyone to "turn the other cheek"?