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hoganftw6 votes

All assassins at the moment are pretty much having a field day.

HA I am Shaco HA3 votes

Rengar is meant to be a 1 shot champion. Riot wants him like that, he used to get stacks from his passive by killing his enemies in under 1.5 seconds. Also, just because you died to a Rengar doesn't mean all ad assassins are broken, take a look at Shaco, a champion, that has no base damage, and horrible scalings. Then you look at ap assassins (Le Blanc), the most annoying bitch ever.

SUPERSATANA8 votes

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take a look at Shaco, a champion, that has no base damage, and horrible scalings.

...and a SUPER high win rate since AGES, paired with one of the most toxic kits out there.

HA I am Shaco HA1 votes

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...and a SUPER high win rate since AGES, paired with one of the most toxic kits out there.

He only has a 53% winrate, and the reason is because like most champions, only his mains play him and people that are good at a champ deserve to be rewarded with victories. Also compared to most kits, Shaco's isn't even too bad. He is probably the worst champion ever in the early game, really item reliant. His Q is annoying yes but it's his engage and disengage whereas other champs have two abilities for engage and disengage, his W has a 2 second arm time and are useless if the enemy has a duskblade, control ward or oracle, his E might as well be deleted because that ability is completely useless, the only thing close to useful on it is the slow, his R deals no explosion damage, the mini boxes deal no damage, the fear Is small, and they can be one shot late game, all three of them because they chare the same health.

SUPERSATANA10 votes

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He only has a 53% winrate

Only? Only? ONLY?

53% win rate in SR is fucking HUGE (is 1% less of the FIRST champ), is ALWAYS in the very first spots as a jungler, LOL. GZ: you just said one of the most absurd thing EVER posted here, quite an accomplishment ahahahhaha.

only his mains play him and people that are good at a champ deserve to be rewarded with victories.

Oh yeah: the classic "Shaco excuse" based on ABSOLUTELY N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Too bad is a bunch of BS: Shaco pick rate put him as the 12 out of 50 junglers, a totally respectable number that is NOT achievable by him being used only by "Shaco main"...unless the number of "Shaco main" is somehow higher than the number of the TOTAL players (OTP, main, casual, EVERYONE) playing the vast majority of the other junglers, LOL.

His Q is annoying

"annoying" , LOL.

Oh, nvm: surprise surprise I was speaking with a totally not biased Shaco player, what a shock

HA I am Shaco HA1 votes

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Only? Only? ONLY?

53% win rate in SR is fucking HUGE (is 1% less of the FIRST champ), is ALWAYS in the very first spots as a jungler, LOL. GZ: you just said one of the most absurd thing EVER posted here, quite an accomplishment ahahahhaha.

Oh yeah: the classic "Shaco excuse" based on ABSOLUTELY N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Too bad is a bunch of BS: Shaco pick rate put him as the 12 out of 50 junglers, a totally respectable number that is NOT achievable by him being used only by "Shaco main"...unless the number of "Shaco main" is somehow higher than the number of the TOTAL players (OTP, main, casual, EVERYONE) playing the vast majority of the other junglers, LOL.

"annoying" , LOL.

Oh, nvm: surprise surprise I was speaking with a totally not biased Shaco player, what a shock

how tf am I being bias. I'm literally saying that if anyone is good at a champion, they should get rewarded for that. whether it be an Alistar, Miss fortune, Kha'zix

SUPERSATANA4 votes

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I'm literally saying that if anyone is good at a champion, they should get rewarded for that. whether it be an Alistar, Miss fortune, Kha'zix

And that's biased BS.

a) Is simply FALSE that "only Shaco main play him", period.

b) Your statement has NOTHING to do with Shaco abnormal winrate anyway, NOTHING. Since the "if you are good you should be rewarded" is a rule for EVERY champ, a champ with a global win rate of 53% (including good players, bad ones etc) is still 3% more than an average one. Is not that there are "less good players playing Braum" (for example), he is just him being in a MUCH weaker spot than Shaco

48% win rate= is too hard to do well on that champ on average 53%= is FUCKING TOO EASY

IP Masquerena1 votes

A-Sol's general winrate is 50% in diamond with a playrate of 0.7%, being played almost exclusively by his mains.

Shaco's general winrate is 53% in diamond with a playrate of 5.1%.

So unless Shaco's mains outnumber everyone else, for some champion at a stupidly high ratio, I don't think you're allowed to talk about "someone who's good should be rewarded" because Shaco is being played by many more people than just mains, so unless the mains has 100% winrate on him, at how "weak" the boards keep calling the 1 assassins who never saw lower than A tier for over a year, spending the majority of that year as S tier jungler, he should have sub 50% winrate, not 53%.

Hint: "he's weak" accordion to you, but has the highest winrate of all Assassins. You mentioned LeBland, but that lady has a 49% winrate in diamond...where Shaco has 53%.

When I made that Shaco thread a while ago, showing all his stats, not just wr, showing he was the best assassin of them all, people told me to wait for the Tiamat nerf, how Shaco is trash and the Tiamat nerf will gut him, etc....Shaco still has the highest winrate and almost best stats.....

SuicidePlank2 votes

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He only has a 53% winrate, and the reason is because like most champions, only his mains play him and people that are good at a champ deserve to be rewarded with victories. Also compared to most kits, Shaco's isn't even too bad. He is probably the worst champion ever in the early game, really item reliant. His Q is annoying yes but it's his engage and disengage whereas other champs have two abilities for engage and disengage, his W has a 2 second arm time and are useless if the enemy has a duskblade, control ward or oracle, his E might as well be deleted because that ability is completely useless, the only thing close to useful on it is the slow, his R deals no explosion damage, the mini boxes deal no damage, the fear Is small, and they can be one shot late game, all three of them because they chare the same health.

Q Duskblade, 1/2 HP gone or dead. Sounds very fun to play against.

HA I am Shaco HA1 votes

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Q Duskblade, 1/2 HP gone or dead. Sounds very fun to play against.

that's his late game, he is a late game, single target heavy champion. Take advantage of his early game, invade him level 1 and kill him in his own jungle, if you don't let him get items because he is dying a lot, he shouldn't be a problem tbh. Plus you mention being half healthed, Assassins are supposed to deal damage otherwise they are not assassins. obviously they excel at killing squishies .

WoΘxer1 votes

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that's his late game, he is a late game, single target heavy champion. Take advantage of his early game, invade him level 1 and kill him in his own jungle, if you don't let him get items because he is dying a lot, he shouldn't be a problem tbh. Plus you mention being half healthed, Assassins are supposed to deal damage otherwise they are not assassins. obviously they excel at killing squishies .

He don't fking need late game he gets ult and jumps from africa to america ffs with one shot delivery, once he gets dusk blade its over, pretty much walking serial killer.

HA I am Shaco HA1 votes

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He don't fking need late game he gets ult and jumps from africa to america ffs with one shot delivery, once he gets dusk blade its over, pretty much walking serial killer.

are you serious? compare him to other assassins, he's got nothing without items. His powerspike is when he gets all 4 items - Zerkers, Tiamat, Duskblade and Tri force.

I am 122 votes

Yeah, most of the people in low elo thinks every champ is broken because they don't know how to play the game, and I know that im silver but I don't tryhard in league and I don't like the game anymore. The only reason why I am playing it is because there is no other games too play.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

You're misreading how Rengar's passive works. He doesn't have to kill people in under 1.5 seconds, he just has to do damage to them within 1.5 seconds of them dying. It's that way so if an ally steals his kill, he still gets credit, but he has to be actively killing the person in order to earn it.

Hammermancer2 votes

you're cassiopea so you literally have the ability to stop rengar from jumping

Zach xD1 votes

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you're cassiopea so you literally have the ability to stop rengar from jumping

The range of his leap is about the same range as her W, but her W has a slight delay (travel time).

AlienPrimate2 votes

Her ult doesn't though. When he is leaping with his passive he cannot turn meaning it is a guaranteed stun.

Arcade Lulu1 votes

Lulu

problem solved

saltran1 votes

The counterplay against Rengar is staying in group later and not gigafeeding him on early.

Arammus3 votes

guess 2 kills given to him was gigafed

GigglesO1 votes

The real counterplay. https://i.imgflip.com/2puflz.jpg

TekkenPlayer1 votes

They wanted to nerf junglers but instead allowed early game powerhouses to thrive. And it didnt really stop the problem of power ganking either; it did the opposite.

In mid they thought mages bullying out assassins were wrong, so they basically have a free lane for 10-13 minutes with generally no worries of resource management on top of that.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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even zhonyas cant save you against that.

it can

Netorare1 votes

Rengar and Shaco are the only balanced assassins since they don't have braindead mobilty and they are easy to deal with... I dont give a fuck that rengar has his W cleanse or shaco has his R, that is not mobilty, they go in and then they die unlike most assassins with an overloaded kit.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Shaco has no mobility, yet somehow he's the only champion in the game who doesn't need Flash because his Q is just a better Flash on little cooldown.

Cocho1 votes

it actually can, you zhonya while he's mid leap.

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