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Auto Attack should be removed.

Terozu··1 votes·1,320 views

Not basic attacks.

Auto Attack.

Automatically basic attack with no input from the player.

combined with target champions only and you have marksmen who it is literally impossible to outplay because the game is playing itself for them.

All a marksman has to do to deal significant damage is right click you. This toggle makes it so they dont even have to do that.

I've watched and played as marksman who beat a zed 1v1 just by standing still, because they game insta targets him from his ult and spams lifesteal. the player needs no fucking input. Whats the point of blinks, and stealth if the exact millisecond you become visible the marksman is just going to instant target you, not because of their own reaction time and predicting your location, but because the game does it for them.

It's a bs toggle that removes interaction from the game, if a marksman is going to be able to deal massive targetted damage thats impossible to avoid, they should at the very least have to click the goddamn mouse.

34 Comments

Pika Fox7 votes

If a zed died to an ADC who did nothing, the zed is just not very good.

Terozu1 votes

except an adc with lifesteal like say Jinx, will just drain tank him since all her damage is in her autos.

cheex9194 votes

except zed is specifically made to counter adc that life steals and doesnt one shot him. and any zed who literally cant burst an adc, doesnt know how to play him, or just sucks.

Terozu1 votes

zed has nothing to counter lifesteal I don't know what you're talking about.

The only assassin that counters lifesteal to my knowledge is Katarina sinrce she has built in Grievous Wounds.

A marksman with DD, BT and Auto attack enabled will survive Zed's burst by draining the HP from Zed.

Let alone other any character who has to get into melee range.

cheex9191 votes

i dont know about you, but i usually ult- w - q - e, ult, then w - auto, i dont give them a chance to auto or life steal off of me, like talon or fizz, or honestly... most assassins.

Pika Fox1 votes

Yeah, that .8 attacks/second build will do so much against zed. You might get 2 autos off before dying!

Pika Fox6 votes

No, no she wont. Unless shes stupidly fed and he hasnt gotten kills himself he will just pop her. He wont even be in range long enough for more than 2 or 3 autos. And even if she could auto him, ASSASSINS TAKE IGNITE.

Terozu1 votes

Jinx can auto over 3 times per second. Zed will guaranteed be in range for at least 2 seconds, thats 6 autos alone. and this is on equal ground, she will win, regardless this this isn't specifically applying to Zed and Jinx, also MARKSMEN TAKE HEAL.

When combined with lifesteal regardless of GW the marksman will be able to drain tank off autos.

And beyond that the Zed one was once miniscule example. things like the moment Eve or Rengar are visible, or Zed's ult ends, or Shaco comes out of stealth or someone comes out of zhonyas or GA and flashes and the adc insta targets them because the game is playing itself for them is just wrong.

Pika Fox4 votes

Max attack speed is 2.5, meaning 2.5/s. No, shes not autoing 3x+/s.

Her heal is irrelevant. Ignite will reduce it, and a full zed combo will do more than 1.5x her HP pool.

Admit it, the zed was just bad.

And mentioning shaco, eve or rengar? Champs who will kill her FASTER? Do you like shoving your arguement in the dirt?

Terozu1 votes

As i said heal with lifesteal regardless of GW will be enough, also Jinx takes Lethal Tempo, it's not unheard of for her to get 4.0 atk speed with her Q.

Will you stop exclusively focusing on the assassins?

Pika Fox2 votes

No one takes tempo. Pta is better.

Youre the one who brought it up. If the assassin dies to the adc who does literally nothing, the assassin is bad. Hell, almost all ADCs lose most 1v1 matchups in the game.

The ADC will get clapped. Unless we are talking about some boosted iron 5 first time assassin, the ADC is dead.

Terozu1 votes

Jinx takes Fleet or Lethal, she almost never has PTA.

Furthermore i said stop focusing exclusively on assassins, take people with GA and Zhonyas, who would be able to flash out, not being allowed to live because the game targetted them and fired an auto for the Marksman wait for their revive.

DaBooosh1 votes

You saying that an ADC can make ~6 autos on an assassin in 1/2 a second? Yes, that's how fast assassins kill carries.

Terozu1 votes

DD.

Pika Fox1 votes

Deaths dance does nothing. Deaths dance doesnt give you an extra 2k EHP for the 4k damage you just took to your 2k HP bar.

Terozu1 votes

No it delays some of his damage, which let's you regain it through life steal and respond to the attack.

Pika Fox1 votes

"Delays some of his damage" WREQ auto W hes not even in range to be autod by you more than once, and is already out of range to auto back.

And zed is the second slowest assassin to kill you, the slowest is Akali, who would be untargetable the entire time shes waiting for her burst window. Literally any other assassin kills you before you get a single auto off. You need to be using an ability before they initiate their own combos to deal with them.

Rock MD3 votes

nobody who's actually good at the game uses that feature. It pushes waves and doesn't last hit properly.

No need to get rid of it since it's one less thing for low elo players to worry about.

Ravenhale1 votes

I hardly notice the feature, because most players are not standing around idle (which is really the only time that feature comes into play).

Terozu1 votes

You have 0 way to confirm this, and since most people dont sit still while in lane it just wouldnt activate to push the wave.

Rock MD1 votes

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You have 0 way to confirm this, and since most people dont sit still while in lane it just wouldnt activate to push the wave.

I can tell you for a fact that over 90% of AD players use attack move and then kite out. If you are trying to kite out it's impossible to smoothly turn and auto with the autoattack feature and if you're attack moving you're adding one input per mouse click. So they're basically getting all the dps you're describing while also inputting the amount that you want them to input.

Terozu1 votes

You do realize you can use both?

And for that matter if its so useless why not delete it then?

Rock MD2 votes

{quoted}

You do realize you can use both?

And for that matter if its so useless why not delete it then?

I'd never use auto attack. It breaks freezes.

I think it should stay for newer players though. It's one less thing to worry about.

Shukr4n3 votes

I smelly smell bs.

IMAGIRAFFE2 votes

You can turn that off in the settings.

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

{quoted}

You can turn that off in the settings.

but like, he cant go into the enemy players settings

saltran1 votes

actually, hacks the enemy player like a boss

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

you mean attack move?

Ravenhale1 votes

There's a setting where you will automatically attack if able to. Like say you are a ranged champ and standing in a bush that is warded by the enemy. Your champion will automatically start attacking the wave if you have the setting marked to auto attack (and conveniently lets you know the bush is warded).

Terozu1 votes

Bush doesnt have to be warded to my knowledge.

Ravenhale1 votes

It does. Otherwise I'd never be able to sit in a bush as Lux/Morgana looking for surprise snares.

Terozu1 votes

but its actvated for me when i was next to a control ward.

Ravenhale1 votes

I don't think I turned the setting off. Maybe I did when I played more ADC.

Terozu1 votes

No, I mean Auto Attack, which makes it so as soon as a non neutral unit enters your attack range you auto target it, no input needed. https://youtu.be/-UVzzRxiWrQ

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