FYI, Annie's molten shield damages you when you auto her.

Terozu·Oct 16, 2017·135 votes·4,367 views

Got called a hacker because a 50hp Jinx autoed me as I was running off, it procced thunderlords and killed her.

91 Comments

shicky97Oct 16, 201761 votes

It's actually funny how few people know about the damage return on that ability. I used to have quite a bit of fun playing item 3075 item 3146 Annie before Thornmail's damage reflection was turned to garbage. You got double reflection damage on their autos, and Gunblade made the returned damage heal you for a fraction of the damage dealt.

FairyfleurOct 16, 201747 votes

that's gross

Witch of BabylonOct 16, 20172 votes

Imagine that with the Ravenous Hunter rune lol

DemainaNyxOct 16, 20172 votes

Always wondered about Gunblade on Rammus. Not a first item obviously, but since he builds thornmail like 99% of the time, might as well get some healing from it plus his kit.

Jack GarrusOct 16, 20172 votes

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It's actually funny how few people know about the damage return on that ability. I used to have quite a bit of fun playing before Thornmail's damage reflection was turned to garbage. You got double reflection damage on their autos, and Gunblade made the returned damage heal you for a fraction of the damage dealt.

OMG gotta try it!

TerozuOct 16, 20175 votes

One time I got shit on in lane, so I went full tank Annie pre thornmail rework. It was actually really effective, wish i had thought to build hextech lol.

Velzard of KozOct 16, 20174 votes

So you basically stood doing nothing but dealt damage while healing yourself... Basically an ADC :^)

pro rusher 2Oct 16, 20171 votes

The only difference is that adc is squishy as fk and can t heal becouse enemy velkoz is focusing him :)

TerozuOct 16, 20171 votes

Deaths dance, Blood thirster, Botrk.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 16, 20171 votes

Knockups, being nuked from 1.5 screens away...

TerozuOct 16, 20172 votes

A knock up thats easy to dodge with a high cd, and a 75% of a screen away.

pro rusher 2Oct 17, 20171 votes

I played a few games with velkoz recently and it is almost impossible to dodge knock up. Velkoz is actually free elo. I was talking about all mid laners, becouse they are made to kill adcs. Annie/syndra/assasins etc. Adcs are not op at all try playing them and you will see, that they are hard to play. I am support main and i know adcs are not op if enemy team has good mid laner. becouse assasins like akali/fizz or long range mages can burst your 15/2 adc with 2 or 3 spells and there is not much you can do. Guees what ! No janna shild or lulu ult can save your adc when there is max range fizz ult on them. Ardent is basicly worst than redeption in helping out your adc no matter how fed he is.

TerozuOct 17, 20172 votes

Im sorry but you just called someone who is famous for being always balanced "free elo". Beyond that you say someome is "free elo" period. You've invalidated your own argument.

And if you cant dodge that tiny aoe in 1.5 seconds, you deserve to die. Chogaths knock up is quicker.

pro rusher 2Oct 17, 20171 votes

i did not want to bring this up but what does even bronze 4 with 14 lp ( b5 0 lp last season ) even know about league? you have never even played vel koz in this season and his e is actually 90% of size of cho-gaths q and comes down 3 times faster. it has little higher cd but you wont be using it often, becouse it is used mostly if you get cought and/or to get 3 stacks of his passive easier. i dont even know why you are defending vel koz becouse i just wanted to make the point why adcs arent as op as people say they are. mid laners right now are made to a) be assasins to kill adcs b) have longer range than adcs c) have stunt and are able to 1 shot adc. they just have to focus well and try not to waste all long cd spells on tanks.. and please dont just make up facts that arent real.

TerozuOct 17, 20171 votes

Calling rank actually further invalidates your argument fyi, theres literally no reason why you would know any if that unless you wanted to bring it up.

pro rusher 2Oct 18, 20171 votes

There is no reasons? It is hard to talk with a bronze 4 about what is op, dont you think?

Velzard of KozOct 17, 20171 votes

Adcs are not op at all try playing them and you will see, that they are hard to play.

Idk, even Imaqutiepie admited they are easy to play as they only require mechanical skill.

pro rusher 2Oct 18, 20171 votes

They have to think what they buy, they also need good map awarness, need to know how to trade/when to all in. Imaqutepie knows most of his fans hate adcs ( everybodey hates adcs ) so he obviusly sad it for more views, donations (money).

Velzard of KozOct 18, 20171 votes

They have to think what they buy, they also need good map awarness, need to know how to trade/when to all in.

Yeah, because other classes don't buy items, don't trade, don't dive and don't use map. Yeah after that sentence I will rather trust that Qutiepie was honest.

SuperspickOct 18, 20171 votes

I think you don't know how LoL works.

Every champion should think about what they buy. Every champion should know how to trade. Every champion should know how/when to all-in.

Conversely:

No other class has a sidekick funneling 1000s of gold into them for 90% of the game. You might not like math, but humor us all and check out the post detailing how much gold a Janna shield with Windspeaker's and Ardent is giving an ADC in terms of stats.

ADC is -mechanically difficult- because kiting and mouse accuracy are actually not that easy to hone. All players should be thinking about the game and win conditions and positioning but i'll be damned if one role doesn't have an actual babysitter such that they can just afk auto and still win fights.

Which is exactly what happens when Kog comes online and FRONTLINES while wiping the enemy team due to Lulu shields, ult and Ardent.

Please lol. My favorite part is where you magically know exactly how and why QT said something. That assumption must have been made because you KNOW what he's thinking and feeling, and not because it was a grasp at straws that fit your argument or anything.....

pro rusher 2Oct 19, 20171 votes

Basicly by your logic everythink is easy to play, the only hard role is adc, becouse you also have to learn mechanics. So you are saying every role is easy to play? Becouse my point was, that adcs are not easier to play than top/mid. Just becouse you think adcs are op and qtp knows that adc hate is popular right now, he sad that. Streamers are turning "by wind" (as you can see brofesco that loved riven one day, but sad he hates all riven mains). You can also see the tyler1 case, where streamers were super against unbanning him, untill phreak showed us, that he is toxic.

pro rusher 2Oct 19, 20171 votes

And your only defence is "adcs are not hard to play. Only thehardest role in game.", while you ignore 90% of facts

SwagsogwaOct 16, 20173 votes

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It's actually funny how few people know about the damage return on that ability. I used to have quite a bit of fun playing before Thornmail's damage reflection was turned to garbage. You got double reflection damage on their autos, and Gunblade made the returned damage heal you for a fraction of the damage dealt.

I thought about that on Thresh because he scales infinitely on armor and has more bonus armor than base cause of his passive. In theory, you would scale infinitely on armor so the reflection scales infinitely too so at some point you'll heal more from thornmail than what they deal to you (cause thornmail's damage has a bonus armor ratio)

In practice, you need to farm souls for a month or two for that to happen, and when you have that much souls you can outright oneshoot them with an autoattack anyway :o

Tried it on rammus too, wasn't insane either.

JobriqOct 16, 20172 votes

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It's actually funny how few people know about the damage return on that ability. I used to have quite a bit of fun playing before Thornmail's damage reflection was turned to garbage. You got double reflection damage on their autos, and Gunblade made the returned damage heal you for a fraction of the damage dealt.

Thornmail+gunblade was a trolly combo on Rammus, Amumu or Singed too. It was nice cuz the Tmail reflect damage counted as single-target so you got the whole 15% healing

PaladinNOOct 16, 201726 votes

Got called a hacker because a 50hp Jinx autoed me as I was running off, it procced thunderlords and killed her.

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morris1Oct 16, 201723 votes

nah, we all know it does nothing but stack her passive

pro rusher 2Oct 16, 20174 votes

My Waifu VanillaOct 16, 20173 votes

While also being one of the best defensive steroids in the game at level 18. 40% Damage Reduction is an absurd amount.

UnboundHadesOct 16, 20172 votes

you seem to forget ww exist

My Waifu VanillaOct 16, 20173 votes

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one of the best defensive steroids

Yes, Warwick and Galio have better defensive steroids, but they are also on tanky champions. Almost doubling a mage's health makes her rather hard to kill through normal means when she usually also has a Zhonya's.

Friendly RamOct 16, 201710 votes

If she died to molten shield she deserves to uninstall. no offense but it does piddly squat for damage.

TheBestFioraEverOct 16, 20178 votes

it does great damage, esp to an adc who consistently attacks you?

nice tableOct 16, 20178 votes

especially hilarious against twitch when his aoe is hitting tibbers

TerozuOct 16, 201715 votes

It procced thunder lords.

RainXBladeOct 16, 20179 votes

And I thought MagikarpUsedFly saying Annie's E is a mini thornmail wasn't enough advice for people to know that.

Horse GrenadesOct 16, 20172 votes

People watch his videos?

RainXBladeOct 16, 20174 votes

Yes, yes they do. Even I do.

TerozuOct 16, 20172 votes

Yes. Thousands of people.

Slythrin UmbreonOct 18, 20171 votes

I thought he just refreshed the page thousands of times Teemo

TheHappyReaperzOct 16, 20178 votes

You know what would be fun? If Annie's passive worked with her E, so anyone who auto-attacked while it was up, would be stunned. It'd be fun, for Annie.

Hardstuck G4Oct 16, 20173 votes

Oh fuck, oh fuck. Thas no bueno

RocketRelmOct 16, 201710 votes

That'd actually suck super hard, it would literally be a nerf.

"Alright, time to flash stun the enemy adc! 4 stacks, a-"

"Oh wait, the enemy Zac slapped me with his jiggly nuts, guess I have no stun now, gg."

JoeMGOct 16, 20177 votes

jiggly nuts.

TerozuOct 16, 20172 votes

But if it stuns everytime they auto you...

Packun FlowerOct 16, 20177 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-cybxziVBk

Stars ShaperOct 16, 20173 votes

Just adds another ? to: "Why should Annie have a free defensive skill considering her damage output, range of said burst, mass cc and even a thornmail effect???"

DoozkuOct 16, 201714 votes

range of said burst

or lack there of

Stars ShaperOct 16, 20172 votes

Q and R have enough range. Annie shouldn't be tanky if not for HP stacking.

Packun FlowerOct 16, 20173 votes

The range on those skills are not that good. You have to commit to taking damage if you want to start a team fight with her. The only time its free is if you catch a squishy on the front line where they shouldnt be.

The sad truth is Annie gets out poked by a lot of midlaners and even assassins. If you want to give damage you have to be prepared to tske it. Hence her shield.

DoozkuOct 16, 20179 votes

Annie is outranged by basically every mage, ADC, and maybe even some Assassins like Zed or LB. The only thing she's really good at is that her spells are easier to land than any other mage.