They force the adc to go anti tank so much they cant burst everyone else, tanks can actually survive fights, the only real problem is base damages being so absurdly high assassins can still deal damage while tanking.
WalkingInACircle76 votesSlower fights are more tactical, supportive champions like tanks being more viable encourages teamwork.
Damage in this game is too high too early.
Terozu11 votesExactly.
Some of my favorite games are 1v1 customs where youre only allowed to go a tank.
Like Rakan with only support items. Me and my friend love that.
Tesladin19 votesI also enjoy more drawn-out fights
Holgranth8 votesThe blurring of burst damage vs sustained damage over the past 3-4 seasons has had a devastating effect on champion identity.
Chalze1 votesAbsolutely agree to this, real, proper burst damage has no real counterplay (which is why so many assassins started to get some timed damage mechanic) but honestly with damage being so high, the sleeper champions that suffer are actually the supports. You just can't defend someone fast enough in this high damage meta and enchanters or Ctrl mages are just too weak. As a person who often enjoys healers or uhh, 'passive' support champions I always feel like I'm powerless as a defensive support since offensive is just so oppressive.
Daddy Ants1 votesAbsolutely agree to this, real, proper burst damage has no real counterplay (which is why so many assassins started to get some timed damage mechanic) but honestly with damage being so high, the sleeper champions that suffer are actually the supports. You just can't defend someone fast enough in this high damage meta and enchanters or Ctrl mages are just too weak. As a person who often enjoys healers or uhh, 'passive' support champions I always feel like I'm powerless as a defensive support since offensive is just so oppressive.
Janna and Lulu seem to do fine in this meta.
Chalze1 votesI really don't like Janna, her kit just seems hella boring to me, Lulu on the other hand I play from time to time I guess
aezens1 votesAssassins will probably have a hard time with longer ttk. Also it could make splittpush comps much stronger because you would passively boost disengage. I think this concept only works if two equal team comps figth eachother. I agree early damage is to high and snowball can get out of hand fairly quickly on the other hand I also think mid to lategame damage is too low especially when teamfighting against tanks or heal/shield supports. When your team looses the adc there is rarely any point in trying to figth anymore.
TheZacStreetBoys38 votesIt's better than the damn adc meta where a fed adc becomes more important than the rest of the team combined.
DemainaNyx6 votesYou realize that a tank meta is an ADC meta, right? Because when tanks are strong, you NEED an ADC or a consistent DPS champion to take them down.
Terozu15 votesNo, an adc meta is where marksmen are extremely strong andbursting people. Tank metas are where they do their job and going outside it is hard.
MasterDClone17 votesthe problem with the tank meta isn't that tanks become too tanky its that tanks became too assassiny. Chogath is both tank and assassin he has 10k hp + resistances but with righteous glory he can walk up through ur whole team and r ur adc to 100-0 her in true damage. Sejuani and zac both have such absurds amount of cc that not only is the fight slower but ur just not moving the majority of the time while killing you with just sunfires. Garen is just bullshit, like why does he have a execute ultimate while being that tanky. now for most other tanks in the spotlight im fine because they generally take a little more skill to play and you actually get to move in a fight which is always fun
LankPants8 votesSejuani and zac both have such absurds amount of cc that not only is the fight slower but ur just not moving the majority of the time while killing you with just sunfires.
That's a problem that was introduced with the tank rework, not one that's been there forever. Before the tank rework both Sej and Zac had relatively low CC for tanks, both having one long CD hard CC on their ult, one medium CD hard CC attached to a gap closer and one more spamable slow. The spells that put these two over the edge were introduced in the tank rework, Sej's E and Zac's Q respectively.
Both of these champs were less problematic before the tank reworks, I'd also argue Cho'gath was less problematic before his mini-rework although his problem is different from Sej/Zac's.
SangreDeNoche4 votesthe problem with the tank meta isn't that tanks become too tanky its that tanks became too assassiny. Chogath is both tank and assassin he has 10k hp + resistances but with righteous glory he can walk up through ur whole team and r ur adc to 100-0 her in true damage. Sejuani and zac both have such absurds amount of cc that not only is the fight slower but ur just not moving the majority of the time while killing you with just sunfires. Garen is just bullshit, like why does he have a execute ultimate while being that tanky. now for most other tanks in the spotlight im fine because they generally take a little more skill to play and you actually get to move in a fight which is always fun
Those are juggernauts though, not regular old tanks.
LordNavarog4 votesgaren is immobile and has NO cc outside of single targer silence so he needs something to make him strong. taht is his ultimate execute. if he had tons of cc like zac he wouldnt have so powerfull spell in his kit
MasterDClone1 votesits just i hate tanks that are unkillable but do more damage than the rest of their team
PB4UAME5 votesGood thing Garen isn't a tank them, but a type of melee damage carry called a Juggernaut instead
His entire purpose is to do as much damage as possible to the enemy team, he's about as far from a tank as you can be.
Jinzo Torrance12 votesIt also makes the team with more hp than brain cells win so it's really not
Zeppelins circus21 votes[{quoted}](name=PKB Marchingegno,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B23Exf0K,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-30T00:37:54.973+0000)
It also makes the team with more hp than brain cells win so it's really not
The reality is the tanks start doing absurd damage as well, either because of their kit, or the items. Look what happened to sejuani, zac, chogath last year. Was that fun at all.
For me as a midlaner that was the most boring meta i ever experienced. One visage complete and I'm totally irrelevant and am demanded by literal gunpoint to support the adc solely.
Warlord Rhinark2 votesBuild a Void Staff?
JAAAAAAAAAAAAYCE4 votesRarely helps. But 
would be better
Malicious Metal11 votesNo meta is really fun if you don't happen to be playing the class that is currently being favored or actually play a counter to them.
Daddy Ants5 votesTank Meta's mean I can play my 
and see the crying in all chat when I tear down that fed Ornn like he's nothing.
Actually i disagree.
Many tanks have gotten so strong that only BS like
Most ADC's can kill a tank right now, It takes longer for the ADC's who have no % damage sure.
Only ADC's imo who struggle vs Tanks are 
wildfox995 votesand then we have 
rework
tanks meta doesn't mean tanks become "balanced" and ADC weaker,it means both their base damage and their survivability are too high so they oneshoot non-tank champions while being unkillable
but i agree it's still better than a bot lane meta,at least you can play around their kits,how do you deal with perma healing/shielding and point click nukes with no CD?
Hong Kong Annie6 votesBut Darius isn't a tank
Shablagoo4 votesYou mean the meta where only two things are useful, adcs and tanks? No, this is why adc's became so cancer in the first place i dont want to get back to that.
Terozu8 votesActually, adcs became cancer after : A. Tanks were nerfed. B. Assassins were nerfed. C. Marksmen were buffed. D. Supports were buffed particularly enchanter based ones. E. Supports were nerfed. F. Marksmen were given compensation buffs for the enchanter nerfs.
JAAAAAAAAAAAAYCE4 votesIf tanks had less damage then id enjoy tank meta. But when a malphite ults your team to half health and still takes a shit ton of damage to kill, then its just absurd and unfun.
RocketRelm4 votesHonestly that's just cause damage is super inflated now more than anything. Resistances have been leeched out of the system, and ambient damage has been increased on top of that.
Crispy0Snake4 votesI think you miss a game that where the winning team had to put effort into closing out the game. It's currently too easy to maintain a lead. Winning at 12mins? you won the game ggwp
Colton1473 votes
was gutted into non-existence.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesHe actually received his fair share of buffs in the weeks after his release.
Infernape3 votesAnd then he was gutted.
Modl Ryden l2 votesIt's also the meta where tank mains cry out, "Wahh why does have to do true damage? It's so unfair! Our champs do %max HP too but at least it's physical/magical! SO UNFAIR!"
It was an okay meta. It was a nice time where you didn't have to ask players play tank but it was also the time where people had the reaction times of a 4th grader in remedial math.
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It's also the meta where tank mains cry out, "Wahh why does
It was an okay meta. It was a nice time where you didn't have to ask players play tank but it was also the time where people had the reaction times of a 4th grader in remedial math.
Nobody in the last three years has bitched about Vayne outside of her Q crit changes in conjunction with Shiv Crit procs.
Split damage carries have and forever will be the bane of any tanks existence becuase of economic efficiency, far beyond comparison of the now pitiful true damage to tanks that Vaynes third auto does. Especially when compared to shit like conquerer.
If you're referencing complaints about an ever evolving game that old or or older, then quite frankly you're delusional and need to come back down to earth.
Terozu2 votesWhat? There have been two maybe three outcries against Vayne in the past 8 months.
Daddy Ants1 votesWhat? There have been two maybe three outcries against Vayne in the past 8 months.
Only people who cry about Vayne don't understand how to beat her or what to pick against her.
Terozu3 votesExcept she had reached 33% playrate, 30% banrate, and a 56% winrate.
Same playrate 55% winrate.
This happened twice in 8 months.
She was overly strong a couple of times, even if people did blow it out of proportion.
French Courtesan2 votesTank metas are best metas? Really? You want to decimate 90% of champion pool on top lane? That is the best meta? No. Fighter/mage meta is best. Assasin meta is cancer tank meta is cancer support meta is cancer, adc meta is tollerable. But no, tank meta is not best. It is among the worst.
Terozu8 votesAgree to disagree then.
French Courtesan2 votesThere is no disagreeing. You can not deny that people stopped watching lcs when tank meta was a thing, league of legends play rates were at the peak before tank meta and the fact that pro players started dropping like a flies during tank meta is not a coincidence. Tank meta was by far the worst meta ever.
Terozu10 votesExcept no, thats an opinion.
Regardless of lcs which involves like 50-100 people.
You just don't like tank metas.
French Courtesan2 votesthis literally isnt opinion, a lot of people quit the game during tank meta, lcs views dropped to literally half during tank meta there is literally data backing this up wtf.
Terozu5 votesBy all means show that data.
Im sure that if anyone left it was very few, which happens in every meta.
Envonyx12 votes"There is no disagreeing" Proceeds to disagree
French Courtesan2 votesYou cant disagree with facts like are people dumb or what?
Terozu14 votesBut you arent actually giving facts. Besides that lcs not being popular doesnt decide whether a meta is good or not.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesNobody likes a fighter meta. Nobody at all.
Why would anyone but a fighter enjoy a meta where fighters (THE most generalist class in the game) can out-perform everyone else at their jobs? What's the point of an assassin if a fighter does the same burst but faster and can do more things as well? What's the point of an ADC if the fighter has better DPS and is completely self-reliant? What's the point of a tank when you can have someone with 5x as much damage or more while being as durable, if not more?
RocketRelm3 votesTo be fair, A, "fighter" meta is mostly just "tank" meta with slightly different styles of champions. And B, even in a Fighter Meta, the ADC is still mandatory on both teams, so fighters aren't outperforming ADCs at their job, else you'd run a Fighter botlane during them.
NaturesMayhem2 votesI enjoyed every tank season, feels like fights mean something. Now I engage on a fight and it's decided within seconds. I don't know what happened, but if my team won the fight, my bet is that the game is good. If my team loses the fight, then I just FF because I have no clue how to make a difference in these burst fights besides to try and kill the burster.