So is there any reason to ever play Akali?

Naomi CoffeeGoat·Dec 25, 2015·4 votes·1,579 views

She seriously is just... I've played a few games on her now and literally every game people just stock up on pink wards and burst you down. They know it's easy to counter Akali and it's already well known Akali has the shittiest way to burst a champ. I can only think the best reason your E procced the mark before was just the fact your auto doesn't fucking work half the time. Every death I see the enemy get away with the mark still on them because I never got a chance to actually hit them. She's way more unreliable than Kha'Zix and now pink wards can be bought like candy at 75g.

53 Comments

DreadlocksDec 25, 20153 votes

if item 3146 item 3157 arnt ur first 2 items, u are playing her wrong.

Naomi CoffeeGoatDec 25, 20151 votes

Already done so. Still died to pink wards. gg Rito.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20152 votes

Ah, you just need more practice then mate. Shes still strong.

LadyRenlyDec 26, 20151 votes

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Already done so. Still died to pink wards. gg Rito.

why do you rely on the shroud though? if you died because someone pinked it, odds are you were going to die when the shroud expired anyway

Akali is SO HOTDec 26, 20151 votes

Not true in the slightest. After playing Akali for so long I'm really good at juking people with my shroud even if I'm in the middle of the enemy team but all of that skill goes to waste once the shroud has been pinked. The number is too high to count how many times I would've survived if they hadn't pinked the shroud. That item might as well do 100% of Akali's max HP.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20152 votes

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if arnt ur first 2 items, u are playing her wrong.

And even then she's still not all that good either.

This is coming from a past, and also partially current akali main.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20154 votes

Yeah well, i know a guy whos masters and only plays akali. If he can do it, maybe JUST MAYBE its not the champion, its you.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20154 votes

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Yeah well, i know a guy whos masters and only plays akali. If he can do it, maybe JUST MAYBE its not the champion, its you.

You're the same person who keeps claiming you know the best akali in the USA. Claiming that you "know a guy," doesnmt automatically give you credibility. You were also extremely defensive the last time I talked to you, attemtping to insult me for saying that that is not necessarily always the case.

I am sincerely under the impression that you're merely some bigoted player who thinks listening to one person makes you right about a champion. If, and only if, you know this person, bring him here to tell it to us himself. I honestly don't trust hearsay all that much, the statistics speak louder: "Akali ISN'T in a good place!"

Plus, I'm not going to take shit from someone who's one victory to five losses in ranked with akali. You don't even average a 2.0 kda with her, apparently you "strategy" hasn't been serving you well.

While rushing a gunblade and zhonya's is great, it doesn't magically solve all your problems. And guess what? Quite a while ago, neither of those were built on akali. It was all about to lich bane rylai's. You simply don't know akali long enough or well enough to talk about strategy or balance on her side.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20152 votes

I'll see what i can do about getting him on the boards gime a min.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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I'll see what i can do about getting him on the boards gime a min.

Well played. Well played.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't have the right to say what you are about akali.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20151 votes

Why not? I legit talk with the best, these are facts from him, he has come here just like you wanted and supported my statements lol.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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Why not? I legit talk with the best, these are facts from him, he has come here just like you wanted and supported my statements lol.

Yeah, if anyone's gonna talk about it, it's him.

I have a (though past cause inactivity) challenger and a current master player on my friends list. I am hereby allowed to say whatever I want about balance.

Look, my point is, hearsay doesn't make you credible. You brought him here, that makes some of your points credible, it doesn't make you credible. If you at least mained or played a lot of Akali I wouldn't be saying this.

And here's the deal, what he's saying is right. If you master Akali it's pretty easy to carry. The deal is, that's the case with quite a few other champions. Akali has simply been made to feel bad to play. I still like her, but there are improvements that could be made to her without putting her overboard. Best Akali FL can disagree with me, and so can you. He can discredit me, because he has sufficient first person evidence.

Since you, however, lack said evidence, then you need stats and numbers to back what you say up.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20151 votes

Why do i have to invest time into a champion that i'm not passionate about just to prove a point to you? I bring you a player who i've known for quite some time now that is passionate about Akali, and has shown she is not a bad champion. Just because I agree with what he says, though not being nearly as good as him, doesn't make my points any less valid.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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Why do i have to invest time into a champion that i'm not passionate about just to prove a point to you? I bring you a player who i've known for quite some time now that is passionate about Akali, and has shown she is not a bad champion. Just because I agree with what he says, though not being nearly as good as him, doesn't make my points any less valid.

Agreeing with what he says doesn't make ot so you can claim anything. You have provided no experience, statistics, or numbers to back up your claim. Is it so hard to understand that without any of those you're not a reliable resource?

Your claim is "build these two items, and master the champion and you're good to go."

this is applicable to basically every champion and you don't need to tell us this
if it was that simple to master a champion then ranked would be pretty interesting

DreadlocksDec 26, 20151 votes

What is your point exactly. I cant tell if you are arguing with me just to argue.. or if you STILL truly believe akali sucks.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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What is your point exactly. I cant tell if you are arguing with me just to argue.. or if you STILL truly believe akali sucks.

My point is you should shut up and stop talking about Akali because you have no evidence and lack the qualifications to do so.

And I never said akali sucks. I said that she's on the weak side, and might like som QoL buffs.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20151 votes

im still a better player than you my friend. Not to mention you just sound pissed off because someone disagrees with you. lol. And why do i have to be great on a champion to state facts? I'm not a pro Draven player, but that doesnt mean i cant defend him as being a strong champion.

Edit: My evidence is bringing the best akali player in the world here to back me up. If he isn't evidence then you my friend dont know what evidence is.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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im still a better player than you my friend. Not to mention you just sound pissed off because someone disagrees with you. lol. And why do i have to be great on a champion to state facts? I'm not a pro Draven player, but that doesnt mean i cant defend him as being a strong champion.

Edit: My evidence is bringing the best akali player in the world here to back me up. If he isn't evidence then you my friend dont know what evidence is.

He's qualified to say things. You, are not. Your only real experience is playing against her.

If, for example, you don't play Draven, then you can't defend or attack him as being this or that. You can opine, but you should realy stop putting it forawrd as "fact". Your only evidence is hearsay. If Best Akali FL says it, it is credible, but you saying what he said doesn't give you his credibility. I'm sorry, my friend, I just find it frustrating that you go around masquerading as an Akali expert because you "know a guy." Who that guy is doesn't matter. You aren't "that guy." I appreciate you bringing him here. You've verified a single one of your points. One that happens to be the case with basically every champion.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20151 votes

I've never claimed to be an akali expert, I've never claimed to even be good at her. I've merely defended her as a solid champion. U say she's weak, I disagree. You say I lack evidence, yet I bring the best evidence I could which is the best player in the world at said champ. Just because I have not accomplished the same rank or stats on a champion doesn't mean I don't know anything about the champion. Akali is strong and very viable in solo q. And that's what the guy in the OP asked. A lot of people who say akali sucks dont understand the basics of the champ before making such assumptions. If you are not building the 2 items I listed, you severely hinder ur chances of winning on akali. These are words backed up by yes... Best Akali FL. If u cannot accept this then that's ur problem. I get u don't like that I've backed up my argument well or that i come across to u as an akali know it all. But I'm sick and tired of u saying akali or any other champ for that matter is bad or in a bad place simply because you arnt good.

Oh and i do play Akali, its not just playing VS akali... I actually have lvl 5 mastery on her. I didnt play her very well before talking to Best Akali FL, and i'm still not great. But i know enough about her to say shes not in a bad spot. Same with Draven. Infact, ive played every champion if u want to use that as a form of "evidence"

Best Akali FLDec 26, 20155 votes

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You're the same person who keeps claiming you know the best akali in the USA. Claiming that you "know a guy," doesnmt automatically give you credibility. You were also extremely defensive the last time I talked to you, attemtping to insult me for saying that that is not necessarily always the case.

Hey bby girl what's up ~ it's the one, it's the only, it's the Best Akali FL (http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Best+Akali+FL) (http://www.lolskill.net/top/highest-lolskillscore?filterChampion=84&filterRealm=) hitting masters playing Akali only AMA, oh wait wrong thing. Yeah Gunblade hourglass solves all of Akali's problems. Pretty much enough said. I got a guide on my twitch ~ twitch.tv/squirrtlez -> got my build runes/masteries/builds/matchups and you can watch vods ifyou're that interested in seeing how I do so well with a champ that "isn't in a good place," when she clearly is. One simply needs to master her and it's pretty easy to climb.

Akali is SO HOTDec 26, 20152 votes

Sup fellow Akali lover

Best Akali FLDec 26, 20152 votes

Sup man

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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Hey bby girl what's up ~ it's the one, it's the only, it's the Best Akali FL (http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Best+Akali+FL) (http://www.lolskill.net/top/highest-lolskillscore?filterChampion=84&filterRealm=) hitting masters playing Akali only AMA, oh wait wrong thing. Yeah Gunblade hourglass solves all of Akali's problems. Pretty much enough said. I got a guide on my twitch ~ twitch.tv/squirrtlez -> got my build runes/masteries/builds/matchups and you can watch vods ifyou're that interested in seeing how I do so well with a champ that "isn't in a good place," when she clearly is. One simply needs to master her and it's pretty easy to climb.

-> The point -> xApexPredator

All I'm saying is that xApexPredator is not someone who has the right to claim what he is. In fact, I could go and claim that about any champion. "Oh Syndra has (used to) a 25% win ratio? Build x and y and master her and tou can easy carry!"

The matter of fact is that my being good at akali doesn't change anything. Akali according to champion.gg has a 53% winrate among people who've played her for over 125 games. 52% if it's mid akali. The point is that being skilled at akali sadly doesn't make her particularly good.

Ever try playing her in team ranked? It's not fun, I can assure you that.

But anyway, I do appreciate a good akali player.

DreadlocksDec 26, 20153 votes

53% winrate isnt bad, especially considering this guy made it to masters.

Edit: Lee Sin has a less than 50% winrate @ 125+ games, yet is he considered bad? Edit2: Yasuo as well.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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53% winrate isnt bad, especially considering this guy made it to masters.

Edit: Lee Sin has a less than 50% winrate @ 125+ games, yet is he considered bad? Edit2: Yasuo as well.

I consider neither of them to be good. They're good on the professional scene, not in solo queue. Akali is supposed to be the other way. And yet she's not particularly outstanding in solo queue either?

Rinky DinkyDec 27, 20152 votes

LOL WHAT

Pierce The VealDec 27, 20151 votes

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LOL WHAT

Riot considers 55% winrate with over 125 games played to be average/normal. Akali has 52%. She does need quality of life buffs.

But of course everybody freaks out when someone suggests that an assassin might need buffs. That's just stupid after all, they're always OP, even when they're not.

Rinky DinkyDec 27, 20152 votes

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LOL WHAT

Best Akali FLDec 26, 20154 votes

I singlehandedly carried my ranked 5s team to diamond this season tyvm.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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I singlehandedly carried my ranked 5s team to diamond this season tyvm.

The question is how fun it was.

but meh. It's just that it's not as easy to deal with a team as akali. A coordinated team can shut her down big time.

What was the rank of the rest of your teammates? Dealing with a coordinated team as akali is a lot easier if your own team is coordinated around you as well.

My other question is how do you play her? Do you like teamfights?

Best Akali FLDec 26, 20154 votes

It was a lot of fun actually, by then end of it, everyone knew how to play w/Akali and the only time we would lose was when our other lanes were severely outranked. If you build a teamcomp with the intention of playing with Akali on your team, it's very easy to win. I have been camped in so many games but if you're a decent midlaner then it doesn't mean much.

My teammates at the time were 2 d5s 1 p2 and a g5 support and this was when I was d1. Being the shotcaller of the team is probably why we did so well, as I directed everyone where to go and be so even when we played vs all diamond teams, it wasn't too hard to play around as everyone just did the old don't feed and I'll carry midgame fights strat.

I play her like an assassin and teamfighting is my favorite part playing Akali.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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It was a lot of fun actually, by then end of it, everyone knew how to play w/Akali and the only time we would lose was when our other lanes were severely outranked.

I love when people know how to play with Akali. It's so fun to teamfight then.

I also feel like she's a good tower taking champion. Have you ever played around her splitpushing?

MLDzXnRRRDec 25, 20152 votes

She is good in bronze or silver. Just go and gank, get fat, towerdive them and finish the game.

Pierce The VealDec 26, 20151 votes

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She is good in bronze or silver. Just go and gank, get fat, towerdive them and finish the game.

She's not all that good in silver. Granted, I had boosted my mmr like crazy, but still, she'snot really all that good. Aoe exists, and if even one enemy notices that they can spend 75g to make sure you're never safe, then a fed akali can at most take one person down with herself.

xShiNjiNxDec 27, 20151 votes

Just because you cant get out of silver with her, doesn't make her bad at low elo.

Pierce The VealDec 27, 20151 votes

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Just because you cant get out of silver with her, doesn't make her bad at low elo.

No need to attempt to offend people, jerk.

My point is that she's nowhere near as good in low elo as people think she is. She's better in low elo, true, but she's not exceptional. I have yet to see an akali that does much more than get a bunch of kills. More often than not they starve their team of kills instead of going for objectives.

Hence, she's not all that amazing in low elo; she's not freelo in low elo like people assume.

xShiNjiNxDec 28, 20151 votes

Again you are basing this off of your ability to play her..

Pierce The VealDec 28, 20151 votes

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Again you are basing this off of your ability to play her..

47% winrate, 52% winrate with 125+ games in plat+, 1.28% playrate.

I think all of these are purely my own ability yo play her amirite. The statistics speak: they agree with me, not you.

xShiNjiNxDec 28, 20151 votes

I thought we were talking about low elo? Is plat considered low elo now? Also are we talking about bronze/silver players playing akali or akali being played at a silver/bronze elo? and 50% winrate top isnt too shabby for akali xD

Pierce The VealDec 28, 20151 votes

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I thought we were talking about low elo? Is plat considered low elo now? Also are we talking about bronze/silver players playing akali or akali being played at a silver/bronze elo? and 50% winrate top isnt too shabby for akali xD

But playing 125+ games with Akali toplane improves your winrate by a whole 3%. Impressive no? I feel like there's room for her to improve.

Akali is SO HOTDec 26, 20152 votes

Ya she's pretty bad

Reformed DunniDec 26, 20151 votes

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Ya she's pretty bad

Confirmed

Raka Flaka MDDec 25, 20151 votes

I like to take her jungle. Bit slow to start up but fun to gank with. I feel that any champion is good if you play them right. Akali is champ where you just have to farm up, take free picks when you can, and snowball so hard that it doesn't matter what they buy you just delete them.

The Bearded BardDec 26, 20151 votes

If you feel like playing a frustratingly stiff champion that should be extremely fluid.

CatSithDec 26, 20151 votes

just wait for her rework after shen. :P

IcyPepperDec 26, 20151 votes

The nurse skin.

warpenguin555Dec 26, 20151 votes

been doing good with her but that was like 2 times i played her. Got fed off a Vlad (i should thank that quinn jg they had for giving me an extra kill like a moron too lol) and off a brand(? i think it was one anyways). But it goes to show how poorly designed her kit was that without her E procing her q, shes trash and when it does shes broken as hell. i like the character so im just waiting on her rework (riot has basically confirmed that akali and talon will be apart of the assassin reworks).