Why exactly were Merc Treads nerfed?

Don't you realize how strong lategame champions got now that average game time decreased? /s

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Oh yeah, they now realised that she has CC 'ability to anti siege so she can stall' 'and easily hit her power spike'

And now that games are shorter in average Riot then decided to nerf her because of these reasons. Because champions now also have more mobility which makes Anivia stronger.. Wait what?! Do you even realize that champions don't get nerfed because of their kit, but rather because they appear stronger than offers due to mastery/rune/item/champion changes that either directly/indirectly influences certain champions? Goddamn. No clue how people like you are saying in 5.21: Anivia sucks, she has no dash, blink, speedbuff and incredibly low MS and the slowest skillshot there is :(( 5.22: OMG SUDDENLY SHE HAS CC AND 'ANTI SIEGE' ALSO TONS OF DAMAGE HURRR DURR

I maimed anivia end of S2 (when I started playing lol) and S3, I support mained since then because I was tired of getting my roll to have a troll take my lane with the mid or feed crap, and I still kick but as anivia, but she isn't op

On top of that the way they are nerfing her is wrong

By reducing the chill duration they directly nerf her E vs anyone with mobility

Even now before the nerf I've had tristanas Jump away and by the time the E hits the chill is gone and it doesn't do its crit portion

If they insist on this nerf they need to do 1 of 2 things 1- vastly increase E speed Or 2 change the crit condition on E to act as if the target is chilled if it was chilled on cast instead of on hit

Option 2 would offer more counter play due to reaction time, but it would prevent the E R effect which would lower the skill curve of anivia but also nerf her by giving more reaction time to the E damage

Of course they could also make E read if the target was recently chilled as in, the target is chilled from R for 1 second, anivia casts E, target jumps out of R and E hits 1.5 seconds later, E would still crit because the target was chilled within 1 second ago

The issue is the nerf they are choosing not only nerfs her control but her potential damage vs mobility, which she is already weak against

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actually, anivia reaches her major powerspike very early in the game, which is reflected by her winrate/gamelength. She has a ~62% winrate on 0-25min games, and constantly falls of to a 47% winrate at 40+ min.

And what has been nerfed was her cc-duration, so no connection to lower tenacity at all i guess...

The nerf they gave directly nerfed her E crit damage vs anyone with good mobility due to E travel time being so slow, if they speed up the E travel time by 15-20% to make it much less likely for the crit effect to be dodged by jumping away the nerf will be fine as it nerfs her CC and not her damage, problem is this is one of the oversights they are likely to leave in and end up nerfing her vs people that dash

I've already had LBs that jump on me to burst me from max range, I E R them they return to thier jump point and flash away farther and because of the travel time E will not crit and they get away with low hp when they would have otherwise died

I've done this to LB for them to jump and R jump away for the same effect when they are just trying to run

If they nerf the crit window for E to crit they need to buff its travel time to make it a net even, when the goal was a CC nerf, not a damage nerf

Whoops, I thought I was responding to a you about a different post, my bad.

I do believe the game is healthier when tenacity is more scarce, because in the current state where displacements are so pervasive and reliable, I think the only thing keeping more traditional hard CC viable and balanced is limited access to tenacity. Tenacity is inherently a bad stat for this game. Offensive stats give a clear increase in damage. Defense stats give a clear increase in durability. Taking slightly reduced effects from CC is almost unnoticeable under all but the most extreme circumstances, and is an archaic holdover of League formerly stat-centric min-maxing play style. In a game where hard CC is becoming consistently less reliable (almost no point and click hard CCs exist compared to a couple years ago) this min-maxing has no place in the game and should eventually be phased out entirely in favor of actually dynamic gameplay where the effect of CC relates more to your interaction with the enemy champ as opposed to stat optimization.

You seem to forget the 40 damage on E nerf in season 5.

That actually did push Irelia out of often maxing E first since W is generally better for a lot of things now.

ANd with all the knock ups and knock backs which tenacity has no effect on it isn't as huge of an advantage as people make it out to be.

You are forgetting the Elixir of Iron in that, aren't you? That is the scenario that people are talking about with that, that I am referring to.

By the way: I don't particularly like the mercury's changes, it's enough to not make the choice worth it for the tenacity.

So that doesn't really justify anything then.