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Can we STOP with the mass lies about zoe?

lolipopevelynn··13 votes·986 views

we get it. she is annoying. But these posts of misinformation about her needs to stop and people need to stop encouraging it.

"zoe has no counterplay" BS literally buy a veil and she will get assblasted

"her skill shots are easy to land" BS

"everyone can see her W stars and it reveals my location in jg" high caliber BS. no one, including zoe, gets vision of her orbs unless they already had vision of it dropping.

"she is rewarded for playing bad" BS, otherwise her winrate would be alot higher than 46%, kind of like MF. you know the champion who just presses R and displaces an entire team even if it misses because if you go anywhere near it you will die? ya kind of like that.

"there is zero risk to playing her" Bull and shit. Have you tried ganking her? she is very easy to gank considering she has no escape outside the RNG of her W which she does not take untill level 3 anyway. Like seriously, she is very easy to gank if she over extends even a little bit.

Seriously, she does not deserve the hate she is getting considering champs like MF and twitch still have zero nerfs in sight and has gameplay patterns 100x more cancerous.

27 Comments

FooDang7 votes

Faker even has said that Zoe is the best champion in League atm and hopes she is nerfed soon.

Of course, he's only one of the best players in the world, what does he know about balance...

amarite?

Karunamon1 votes

High elo play is a completely different animal than low elo. Something can be trash below master and broken as hell above.

FooDang6 votes

Something could also be trash high elo and a pub stomper in low elo. Thats not a balance issue though. Thats a mechanics/player skill issue.

It might take awhile for the lower elos to catch up on exploiting Zoe's kit (she's a new champ) because of the learning curve of pros vs casuals. OP may think shes not broken but when people catch up learning her strengths they might be singing a different tune in the future if her kit goes unchecked.

Gives No Lux1 votes

46% win rate across ALL divisions.

FooDang5 votes

Not bad for a new champion.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

{quoted}

Something could also be trash high elo and a pub stomper in low elo. Thats not a balance issue though. Thats a mechanics/player skill issue.

It might take awhile for the lower elos to catch up on exploiting Zoe's kit (she's a new champ) because of the learning curve of pros vs casuals. OP may think shes not broken but when people catch up learning her strengths they might be singing a different tune in the future if her kit goes unchecked.

Remember when people said irvern was useless and b egged for buffs on his release? this has nothing to do with the balance of a champion and EVERYTHING to do with the boards being stupid as usual. boards are spreading misinformation on a champion they dont understand.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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High elo play is a completely different animal than low elo. Something can be trash below master and broken as hell above.

the only difference between high elo and lower elo is that people can actually control their characters in the way they want. the actual SKILL difference and game knowledge from what i hear is just as bad up there.

which is why you can have amazing silvers/gold who know the ins and outs of every champion and role who cant climbed because they have bad ping and bad click accuracy. and you have have morons in plat and diamond who dont know shit about the actaul game, but can control the game like thier brain is hotwired into their computer.

which is the ENTIRE reason why the whole "I'm higher elo so your opinion doesn't matter" thing is complete bullshit

( i will say though u don't need any mechanics to climb out of bronze, all you need to knowledge) and u dont need ANYTHING to be PLACED in silver from first season promos. but that's another issue all together

Kokua6 votes

I remember one of my first few games with a Zoe...

Morg support, level 8, Zoe was probably level 10, I was coming to mid. Zoe pops up in front of me and a shot came flying to my face. Went down to 20% of my hp remaining, while initially full. There goes my 2 seconds in the lane trying to help! Already had to turn around and start recalling.

Tried her for the first time. Her shots aren't so easy to land, but with practice (and hopefully less than 200 ping), you'll get a hang of it.

Many people banned her because people regularly ban newly released champions, as they either don't want to vs something they're not familiar with, or they don't want someone who is inexperienced in the champ to try it out for the first time in their match. Lots of people want to play her, because newly released champs often feel over powered on release, and because she's paired with a lovely 1000 experience mission (which I have still yet to complete lol).

Audiomancy2 votes

So... you're upset because a burst mage burst you down?

DoktorKaiser7 votes

Burst mages burst with their ultimate not with a 2 second cooldown ability...

Audiomancy1 votes

I mean, you can get about 8 seconds on Lux's. Considering one is a 1-second LeBlanc W with no damage attached and the other is a giant nuke, I think the cooldown on it isn't really the issue.

DoktorKaiser2 votes

Which is why I am abusing Lux right now with Ultimate Hat, but if it weren't for that she would have around 20-ish seconds tops on her burst. On the other hand Zoe's Q is 2-3 seconds late game and her E is like 6 seconds with a reduction if it hits. Its not nearly fucking comparable, not to mention that Lux CC is much shorter range and harder to land.

Audiomancy1 votes

{quoted} On the other hand Zoe's Q is 2-3 seconds late game and her E is like 6 seconds with a reduction if it hits. Its not nearly fucking comparable, not to mention that Lux CC is much shorter range and harder to land.

Considering Lux's Q has almost 400 range on Zoe's E without Wallcasting, hits two targets, has a wider hitbox and also has about a 6s cooldown at max CDR, yeah, it is actually pretty comparable.

DoktorKaiser2 votes

Why wouldn't you cast Zoe's E through the wall when it covers literally half the fucking map that way? That also means that you will probably have advantage of casting it from fog of war, also it leaves a huge trap for some reason which either zones the enemy team or someone else will get hit anyway. Not to even mention that Lux Q is far easier to dodge due to missile speed so its very hard to actually engage with it the way Zoe can just snipe CC someone and start a teamfight. Hitting 2 people who aren't trash at the game and aren't already CC-ed or clustered in a teamfight is also near impossible.

Kokua1 votes

I'm not sure how you got the idea of me being upset from my comment. I was just sharing my first experience against a Zoe, my first experience playing her, and listed reasons why people might ban her.

Gives No Lux3 votes

So, you're a Morg player who doesn't have the common sense to shield yourself before charging face first at Zoe? Sounds like the game is working as intended...

Morg absolutely wrecks Zoe 1v1.

Kokua2 votes

It was my first time ever walking up to a Zoe, and IIRC, that was WITH a shield. Granted I didn't build full AP or put too many points into shield, as 1, I'm playing support, and 2, I generally go for longer snares as opposed to a magic shield... cuz you know, an anti-magic shield won't protect your adc against arrows, bullets, and swords. I wasn't charging at her, in fact, I was still behind the turret making my way towards mid when she popped up and dropped the bomb on me. If I were playing mid and laning with Zoe from the start, it would have been a completely different scenario.

ScissorsNstuff3 votes

enough with the lies!

"Zoe matters" bs there is only ahri

#AhriFancultBanner

Escheton3 votes

I heard she once shanked a guy in Rio because she thought his key was shiny.

Niyume3 votes

I'd actually say Zoe is weak compared to most mid laners. But sheeple just repeat whatever they hear.

Oh and this one time Faker said she's broken because she's not like most mid laners he practices playing against -- so obviously she is. Not like she's just something Faker isn't used to or anything. Thing about Faker, he's not super good when he's put on the spot. He can practice so much that he seems like a god, but not many LC$ players are good at reacting properly, if you pay attention to LC$.

2Charmnot2Charm3 votes

"zoe has no counterplay" BS literally buy a veil and she will get assblasted

Zoe's cooldowns will be back up 20 times before your veil passive comes back up, assuming you didn't get damaged by anything for the next 40 seconds. Even then ANYTHING can and will pop banshee veil it doesn't have to be zoe's abilities she has 4 other people on her team to help her get rid of it.

"her skill shots are easy to land"

Certainly feels that way when she can spam her spells a whole lot don't you think?

"she is rewarded for playing bad"

What champion in the game not named zoe get rewarded for missing their crowd control ability? If you miss your crowd control then it should be gone, but for whatever reason zoe's become a trap that still functions as if you hit the skillshot when touched effectively zoning players from that spot. She can also recast her Q still while being crowd control, every other champ that has something like her q loses the ability to recast/toggle it zoe shouldn't be an exception to the rule. Then her ult is also uninterruptle by crowd control lmao.

Also don't bring winrates into this, not every champion can have 50% winrate that's just not how the game works.

"there is zero risk to playing her" Bull and shit. Have you tried ganking her? she is very easy to gank considering she has no escape outside the RNG of her W which she does not take untill level 3 anyway.

You shouldn't be depending on RNG to escape ganks in the first place wtf is this bs excuse of yours? Learn to ward and how to control the minion wave like everyone else and ganks will be the least of your concern outside of tower dive situations.

Seriously, she does not deserve the hate she is getting

Yes she does deserve the hate 100%, maybe she isn't a problem in YOUR ELO because i have no doubt bronze-golds see the game different than plat+ players but she is without a doubt a problem in a elo where people are actually decent-good at the game.

Players like you should be worrying more about master yi/yasuo pub stompers ruining your games, don't bother talking about zoe when you can't even grasp the big picture.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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Zoe's cooldowns will be back up 20 times before your veil passive comes back up, assuming you didn't get damaged by anything for the next 40 seconds. Even then ANYTHING can and will pop banshee veil it doesn't have to be zoe's abilities she has 4 other people on her team to help her get rid of it.

Certainly feels that way when she can spam her spells a whole lot don't you think?

What champion in the game not named zoe get rewarded for missing their crowd control ability? If you miss your crowd control then it should be gone, but for whatever reason zoe's become a trap that still functions as if you hit the skillshot when touched effectively zoning players from that spot. She can also recast her Q still while being crowd control, every other champ that has something like her q loses the ability to recast/toggle it zoe shouldn't be an exception to the rule. Then her ult is also uninterruptle by crowd control lmao.

Also don't bring winrates into this, not every champion can have 50% winrate that's just not how the game works.

You shouldn't be depending on RNG to escape ganks in the first place wtf is this bs excuse of yours? Learn to ward and how to control the minion wave like everyone else and ganks will be the least of your concern outside of tower dive situations.

Yes she does deserve the hate 100%, maybe she isn't a problem in YOUR ELO because i have no doubt bronze-golds see the game different than plat+ players but she is without a doubt a problem in a elo where people are actually decent-good at the game.

Players like you should be worrying more about master yi/yasuo pub stompers ruining your games, don't bother talking about zoe when you can't even grasp the big picture.

i dont think you play the game, let alone the champion, if you are making comments like this. her E really isnt that hard to dodge, like if you are having problems with zoe then im pretty sure you should be perm banning lux and xerath for doing what she does but 2x better.

2Charmnot2Charm3 votes

her E really isnt that hard to dodge

And that is why you will remain silver. You ignore the fact that when it misses it becomes a trap so even if you just side stepped it it will still trigger off of you and if it doesnt it's now a area you're being zoned from AND it's on a super short cooldown late game.

But it's alright you have other things to worry about then a champion no one in your elo can play to it's full potential ill stop wasting my time dealing with you delusional players i got better things to do :).

P.s Lux/xerath better zoe's? lmao good joke man thanks for the laugh.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ahri Carries U,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=loAWKRAj,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2017-12-13T22:48:07.800+0000)

And that is why you will remain silver. You ignore the fact that when it misses it becomes a trap so even if you just side stepped it it will still trigger off of you and if it doesnt it's now a area you're being zoned from AND it's on a super short cooldown late game.

But it's alright you have other things to worry about then a champion no one in your elo can play to it's full potential ill stop wasting my time dealing with you delusional players i got better things to do :).

P.s Lux/xerath better zoe's? lmao good joke man thanks for the laugh.

a trap that is visible and easily avoided. if you are autistic enough to step in it then you deserve everything that happens after.

and yes lux is better. if she lands her Q on a squishy target than that target is an easier kill than if zoe were to land her E on a target. her abilities go through minions.

MuffledGarbage2 votes

Zoe's only part of her kit that is overpowered is her Q mana cost(which can be justified tbh) and her E.

Zoe's E has a heavy slow + full 2 seconds of sleep + damage amp + Trap that applies same effects on one ability.

There are only a few champions that have an ult that does what Zoe E does.

I'll admit Zoe E is weaker than those ultimates( numbers-wise) but Zoe E is up more often than those ultimates which is what makes it overpowered.

Zoe doesn't really have an ultimate, so it makes sense to give her a larger pool of damage with basic abilities.

The problem arises when Zoe is able to burst as well as an Artillery mage while having hardly the same mana problems thanks to her E.

Zoe's Q is mostly fair. Strong during laning and in the midgame, but when lategame teamfights roll around Zoe Q is going to fall off in usefulness by itself.

Then Zoe's E comes along and makes her Q just as scary as it is in the laning phase.

Zoe's E makes her Chunk tanks mid-lategame thanks to the true damage portion of the move.

Zoe's E(combined with Q and R) make her an amazing roaming support, roaming mid, and an interesting jungler, but Zoe's E is overpowered due to how much it does at once.

The Zoe E base damage needs to be gutted and her E AP scaling needs to be buffed.

I am saving up BE for Zoe because toplane bruiser Zoe build is going to be as powerful(give/take) as the Ekko, Fizz, and Leblanc tank builds that popped up last season!!!

Zoe's EQ does 1/3 of most mage's health(when both are fully maxed so lvl 11) with BASE DAMAGE!!!!

That's a pretty big problem!!!

Zoe's risk factor also is reduced because of her W RNG.

It's always a positive effect that has too big of a catch range and lasts 20 seconds on the ground...

Most mages at level 3 cannot do more damage than Zoe's Q so they can't stop her very easily from grabbing anything that falls on the ground.

That's fine for the most part, it was a telegraphed powerspike that can be dealt with for any effect that Zoe gains.

Zoe gains an defensive Item active?

don't trade with her

Zoe gains an offensive item active?

Back to tower and CS with abilities

Zoe gains an offensive summoner spell?

back to tower and Cs with abilities

Zoe gains a defensive Summoner spell?

don't trade with her

Zoe is the Quinn of midlane.

Her Early game she does more damage than you and will outtrade you at nearly every opportunity.

Her midgame is okay but she'll lose some steam generally if she isn't fed to hell.

Her lategame is based around getting random picks on priority enemy team targets, in lategame teamfights she's next to useless.

Attticus Finch2 votes

Daily reminder that "dude just buy X" is always a non-argument. If any champion has a kit that requires a very specific item to deal with, that's automatically an indication that that champion's kit is poorly made.

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