She's 2-0-3, I'm 2-1-2
It's literally burst or be burst. If she had run into me, I would have done the same thing to her. There is completely retarded. There's no room for outplay, it entirely comes down to who just happens to see the other first, which is especially ridiculous in the early game, where vision is limited.
Kurt Hyzan24 votesThis is season 8*
Soon it will be like hide and seek, getting vision on an enemy will get him killed
Ranmaru1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kurt Hyzan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lnqEAtdY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-23T12:05:12.770+0000)
This is season 8*
Soon it will be like hide and seek, getting vision on an enemy will get him killed
no duskblade.
Astorine16 votesTo burst, or to lose. That is the real question
hhaavviikk12 votesI mean taliyah has always had ridiculously high base damage since her ult does 0 damage
YumaS2Astral3 votesI mean taliyah has always had ridiculously high base damage since her ult does 0 damage
And that's why a burst mage shouldn't be designed around having an utility ultimate
Chembaron Yamada1 votesOfficially, Taliyah is supposed to be a battle mage, not a burst mage. Source
Spank the Fox1 votesExactly.
You should have utility and burst simultaneously 
Eedat11 votesJanna a god at ksing
AR URF9 voteslooks like someone got outplayed and went to the forums to complain.
GarySeagull33 votesLooks like someone is bored and trolling the forum. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
GigglesO5 votesNo, there is a group of players that actually think 100-0ing someone is healthy. That group of players has been pushing for this type of game for a very long time. Every time you say something against them too they say shit like:
"Than what can Assassins do? That's the Archetype, the playstyle, the theme, the feeling. "
So they would rather have it so that they can one shot everything rather than let tanks, supports mages exist. Honestly assassins should be useless in a team fight, but what happens when an assassin can't kill someone because the support heals/shields? The support gets nerfed. What happens when the assassin can't damage the tank, the tank get nerfed.
We went to the far extreme of the game, and need to head back towards the middle.
rayzo9 votesRiot needs to stop appealing to little kids and Fortnite players with all this high damage nonsense. League should be about outTHINKING your opponent, not outSURPRISING them. The element of surprise should definitely give you the upper hand but it should NOT make the fight unwinnable for the other side.
ModAcademy Kayn6 votesMfw setting an ambush and flanking an enemy in war isn't outthinking an opponent.
ShaolinToilet1 votesMfw when I see a mfw and the same guy respond to the mfw twice
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesmfw i see my face and its not my face when i say mfw
Z3Sleeper1 votesYa ever heard of pink ward baits? Gotta have a pretty low IQ to fall for that. That's getting outTHINKED.
xxxDogmanxxx9 votes{quoted} it entirely comes down to who just happens to see the other first
That's why vision control and proper decision-making are important. If in the early game, your vision is limited, then don't decide to do reckless plays like this. There was a pink ward on the far side of bot lane, and you decided to overextend to get it. Then you're surprised that you died after getting hit CCd and hit by Taliyah's entire combo?
Dreadlocks2 votesAt level 7.. yeah thats pretty bullshit. Even assassins arn't allowed to do that.
BestPudgeNA2 votesThat's why vision control and proper decision-making are important. If in the early game, your vision is limited, then don't decide to do reckless plays like this. There was a pink ward on the far side of bot lane, and you decided to overextend to get it. Then you're surprised that you died after getting hit CCd and hit by Taliyah's entire combo?
Except he didn't get red smited or autoed to proc the red smite and he also died to the first Q, she still had another 40% or so of overkill.
Also, i guess you don't actually JG and he didn't have to clear that ward, but as JG actually are forced to constantly face check brush all day long. It's just part of the role.
xxxDogmanxxx3 votesAlso, i guess you don't actually JG and he didn't have to clear that ward, but as JG actually are forced to constantly face check brush all day long. It's just part of the role.
Oh I jungle alright. I'm a Xin Zhao main in fact, and thus to clear wards, I'd have to go in melee range just like this Udyr. But the difference is that I would never have risked it.
Face-checking a brush is NOT a necessity of ANY role. You should only face check if you KNOW its safe. The brush next to your team's Red Buff at the very start of the game? That's pretty safe. There's no way any enemies would be there before 30 seconds. Go ahead and face check that.
10 minutes into the game, the river brush at bot lane ON THE ENEMY'S SIDE, with an ENEMY CONTROL WARD, and even TWO ENEMIES ALREADY VISIBLY LURKING NEARBY, and NO VISION OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL? You can bet your ass that was unsafe.
Udyr could have easily decided that "No, that's unsafe, I don't have vision of the other side, I don't see where the rest of the enemies are, I'm not going to risk my life for a control ward." But he didn't have proper decision-making, and so he died for it.
Whats more, good decision-making also means not just limiting the information to yourself. You have to watch out for your teammates too. In a lot of games, I have to constantly ping back at least one teammate (usually the support who wants to ward or de-ward) to prevent them from doing the exact same thing this Udyr did.
BestPudgeNA1 votesOh I jungle alright. I'm a Xin Zhao main in fact, and thus to clear wards, I'd have to go in melee range just like this Udyr. But the difference is that I would never have risked it.
I said he didn't have to clear that ward, in fact i don't think it's correct that's not the point. The point is about the damage and having to face check brushes
Face-checking a brush is NOT a necessity of ANY role. You should only face check if you KNOW its safe. The brush next to your team's Red Buff at the very start of the game? That's pretty safe. There's no way any enemies would be there before 30 seconds. Go ahead and face check that.
Look man as a jungler you aren't ever gonna have vision of your entire JG especially in solo Q and especially in lower elo. The fact of the matter is you have to face check many brushes as a jungler in your own jungle throughout the game, that's just the way it is.
CppL7 votesdamn...you almost get 2 shot.what items you guys had?
Ayzev11 voteshttps://image.ibb.co/gZHG4o/here.png
Full damage, no surprises there
TehNACHO4 votesWhen you build squishy and complain about getting blown up.
Disulfiram4 votesUnless you have some very powerful innate tankyness, you get blown up when building full tank too. The difference is that, if you build full damage, you have the chance of being the killer if you spotted the enemy first.
The only time tanky items seem to have an impact is when you build just 1, enough to be 2-shot instead of 1-shot; and even that only works if said tanky item is a damage item too (example: 
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Z3Sleeper2 votes🅱uRsT oR 🅱 🅱UrSteD
Nea1047 votesYep, that's what you get when they keep buffing damage for more than 6 MONTHS, even if in Novemeber everyone (with an average IQ) had already understood how wrong was the new "mood" of the game, with the new (and bad) rune system and so on.
They didn't listen, they kept mess up things. Everyone can one-shot everyone, no need to think, no need to focus the squishies, mission accomplished. Fun game.
Azadethe5 votesWrong. you just refuse to play anything but Udyr, spam posts about you sucking as Udyr, and walk right into a setup. You also took Taliyah's ENTIRE KIT.
You really need to get out of the auto attack meta and play something that actually has escapes.
JustMonika134 votesYou’re on Udyr. I don’t sympathize.
Also funny seeing someone notorious for complaining about movement speed play Udyr.
The Ecdysiast2 votesIt's funny seeing someone do something hilariously bad as Udyr and complain as if walking onto an ability with a long cast time were because the enemy is overpowered.
Yenn4 votes[deleted]
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesYou didn't even attempt to dodge the taliyah W though. You just stood there autoing the ward meaning your reaction speed is horrendously bad on one of the fastest champions in the game. You could also have simply flashed the W if you REALLY wanted that control ward. You got caught. End of story. Same thing would have probably happened if Xin Zhao was on the other side of the wall or even the enemy AD since you WOULD have been in a 1v2 situation since Janna was right next to you as well.
Yenn4 votes[{quoted}](name=My Waifu Vanilla,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lnqEAtdY,comment-id=00160000,timestamp=2018-06-23T23:50:13.525+0000)
You didn't even attempt to dodge the taliyah W though. You just stood there autoing the ward meaning your reaction speed is horrendously bad on one of the fastest champions in the game. You could also have simply flashed the W if you REALLY wanted that control ward. You got caught. End of story. Same thing would have probably happened if Xin Zhao was on the other side of the wall or even the enemy AD since you WOULD have been in a 1v2 situation since Janna was right next to you as well.
What is animation lock and how does it work?
Also, Seismic Shove's indicator is different for enemies. You're seeing it as if you were an ally, at full visibility for the full duration. It's actually darker, under the brush, and it's blending with my Tiamat.
ITT: More Bronze players not understanding game mechanics.
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesIt doesn't change the fact that going for that ward was STILL a terrible idea since Janna was in vision of you and could have slowed you for literally anyone to catch up to you and kill you.
LuxannaVeritas3 votesITT: More Bronze players not understanding game mechanics.
Honestly, after looking at the post, the comments, and your replies, you're starting to sound like someone who just won't admit their mistakes.
You can't just post a GIF repeating your misplay over and over again on the boards, make an excuse, and then think you're smart. You play this game, and therefore you will make mistakes, so don't go causing a hysteria on the boards about it. If you don't want to be bursted, don't build full damage. Or, even better, play a tank.
Plus, I have absolutely no respect for people who use rank as an insult.
BigBellBrute1 votesYenn (NA) - about 21 hours ago
ITT: More Bronze players not understanding game mechanics.
Two can play at that game.
More low plats that got there on mechanics alone that still don't understand the first thing about macro.
See how fruitless rank shaming is?
The Ecdysiast3 votesExcept for the fact Udyr is #2 in the jungle and has always been unfairly powerful despite his ease of play.
Are you simply pointing out the fact you positioned terrible and walked to the other side of that ward for no reason, and failed to see the warning on her W despite the fact you could've gone bear and walked out of it?
You're just complaining about getting outplayed while playing someone overpowered.
BestPudgeNA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lnqEAtdY,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-06-23T19:50:30.307+0000)
Except for the fact Udyr is #2 in the jungle and has always been unfairly powerful despite his ease of play.
Are you simply pointing out the fact you positioned terrible and walked to the other side of that ward for no reason, and failed to see the warning on her W despite the fact you could've gone bear and walked out of it?
You're just complaining about getting outplayed while playing someone overpowered.
Udyr a shit champ any anyone that says otherwise is just bad at the game and borderline hopeless.
GarySeagull3 votesUdyr is not shit, he's 1 dimensional. There is a MASSIVE difference.
Judging your reply you must be 12, you also don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Elohaven2 votesTo be honest, that shouldn't have killed you. Taliyah shouldn't be a burst mage. The combo should chunk you but she should be more DPS that anything.
Electrocute is a bad rune.
Azadethe3 votesShe hit him with 3 Stone bullets from Q, E hit 5 Explosive plates, and her W as well as electrocute.
Janna also hit him with a auto attack + Zephyr. and what looked like an Aery.
Elohaven6 votesShouldn't be 100-0'ing people that early unless fed. Udyr is a juggernaut who should have had some health (10% or so) after that full combo.
He got caught out - cool. But he shouldn't have been bursted that fast.
PyroLux4 voteslol "juggernaut" he's level 7 bro he probably hasnt even finished any item other than his smite enchant and at most a ruby crystal for tankiness
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesIf mages can't 100-0 that early, than why the fuck would you play a mage? That's kinda their thing, 100-0'ing people when they're able to make a pick.
And he did end up with health left after Tali's rotation. Janna finished him off with a Zeyphr and Auto, so if he had full health, he would've been at around 10% or more.
Elohaven1 votesBoi - I would fucking love 
and 
one shotting me early.
Z3Sleeper3 votes-__- Do you know how hard it is to pull that combo off? If you're standing still on a pink ward in enemy territory you deserve to be oneshot.
ninjaroxas2 votesAs a tailyah main I personally don't find it very hard. The W change made it harder but still not that hard. At least not this early into the game.
Z3Sleeper2 votesE'ing parallel to someone at max range and then W'ing them sideways through it and Q'ing them isn't hard to pull off?
That's the kind of combo that can only be done over a wall in FoW.
ninjaroxas1 votesI can't actually see what's happening in it as it isn't loading for me. Ive just pieced together whats happing by the comments,but from your description I still standfast on my opinion. Unless the udry has like tier 2 boots or something close to that speed
Also Not sure what FoW is as I'm assuming you don't mean the card game.
Z3Sleeper1 votesOh I'll explain then.
Basically Udyr was attacking a pink ward in a bush with Taliyah on the other side. She vectored W sideways (to her right) and E'd to the side of Udyr towards where he is being flung so that he'd go sideways through the back and 2nd to back rows of W for maximum damage.
That kind of play is pretty unrealistic under normal fight conditions and only possible because Udyr was sitting on a pink ward over a wall where he couldn't see who was on the other side (note: FoW = Fog of War).
