If every kit had Lee Sin's design philosophy...

James Stone··26 votes·4,573 views

Let's play a game. Let's add something to a champion that really feels tacked onto. As in, it feels like it's there just because, and adds a weirdly, small-enough-to-be-forgettable, strong-enough-to-matter amount of power.

Lee Sin'ize a kit.

I'm usually not one to complain, and I don't dislike Lee Sin, but a lot of what he has in his kit feels completely redundant.

Example:

Pantheon now can W himself, (obviously) not stunning but refreshing his passive (In the same way Lee can Safeguard himself).

121 Comments

Cindikle31 votes

Syndra can throw herself.

ThePlasticSpork7 votes

This would be hilarious and I wouldn't mind it being in the game for a short while as an april fools joke or something.

Diostukos10 votes

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Syndra can throw herself.

Tbh that sounds fun...

AuraMax2 votes

And Syndra being able to use Scatter the Weak on allies. It would be really fun if Riot made a game mode where skills meant to be used on enemies could affect allies :)

SmokingPuffin25 votes

Diana Passive - On ability use, Diana gains 50% attack speed for the next three basic attacks. On the third, she deals damage in an area and restores mana. Q - Targets hit are marked with Moonlight, revealing them and reducing the damage they deal by 10%. W - While the shield is active, Diana gets 5/10/15/20/25% spell vamp. E - Targets hit are marked with Moonlight, revealing them and reducing the damage they deal by 10%. R - Hitting a target marked with Moonlight removes the debuff from that champion and deals 8% of missing HP as magic damage.

AuraMax2 votes

Also add: Q - Can be reactivated to detonate Moonlight debuff and deal true damage equal to the original damage of Crescent Strike. W - If all orbs detonate, W can be reactivated to deal magic damage equal to 20% of enemy's max hp in an area around Diana. E - Can be recast to stun all enemies within E range for 2 seconds and prolong slow for 3 seconds after the stun. R - Resets if target unit is killed (reset occurs even when unit does not have Moonlight Debuff).

Grey Wolf22 votes

When Warwick is below 40% health his blood scent activates.

KING OF MASKS22 votes

Garen's W gives him a movement speed boost.

Garen's E gives him a movement speed boost.

Garen's R gives him a movement speed boost and silences the target.

junglerboy1613 votes

Garen "If I can't be a wizard, at least I can be the Flash!"

missinggrave2 votes

Katarina "I think we need to have a talk about your obsession with magic..."

Sooko20 votes

Gangplank After casting Parrrley, GP gains bonus attack speed, and his next two basic attacks regenerate half the mana that Parrrley costs. (If GP kills a minion with Parrrley and AAs twice, he regains all of his mana back)

DoniaClotilde19 votes

Kalista

If Kalista enters a movement command while winding her basic attack or Pierce, she will drive through that direction when she launches her attack, dashing a short distance. Martial Poise distance scales with Enhanced Movement, and is increased by 25% when dashing backwards.

Learn 2 Swim13 votes

15 junglers nerfed this season. Lee Sin remains the same.

The balls on Riot astounds me.

PoRKNADO12 votes

Trundle

Q - Trundle now heals for 30% of the damage done by Chomp W - Frozen Domain can be reactivated to slow any champion inside it's radius, but it's passive effects are lost.(Oh you said Lee Sin, forget the tradeoff) E - Frozen Pillar can be reactivated. Trundle will use the pillar as a hopping point(think Gnar) to close gaps or cross terrain. R - Subjugate now taunts the enemy in addition to it's other effects.

Fed by Snu Snu11 votes

Nautilus' E and Q now reveal all invisible champions they damage.

Nautilus' R does 200/400/600 base damage, both at the final target and targets it collides while travelling.

Vesarixx1 votes

Wouldn't his Q already do this?

Fed by Snu Snu2 votes

No, it would pull him normally and you'd understand you hit something, but no reveal.

Tilomentry3 votes

Unless damage or displacement would remove stealth from the champion (namely Evelynn and Teemo i think)

Nucleophilic atk11 votes

Ok, so basically if we are making many Lees, we are throwing a bunch of stupid stuff in to make him OP? Got it.

Fiddlesticks If Fiddles attacks a feared champ, the fear spreads to all nearby units. If Fiddles drains a silenced or feared target, he deals double the damage and gains a shield of the excess health grown. His ult also now does 100 more base damage and roots all enemies.

Virgin Ray9 votes

Azir's soldiers command Azir to attack for them.

Bears Dont Care7 votes

Evelynn's R now knocks backthe target and knocks up any enemies struck by his initial target

WhereTheNamesAt4 votes

you literally took Lee Sin's ult and just gave it to Eve. you didn't even add anything to it. very clever...

Bears Dont Care6 votes

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you literally took Lee Sin's ult and just gave it to Eve. you didn't even add anything to it. very clever...

Hey, its in addition to the sheild and percent health damagedoesnt seem like much.... until ev ryone pimballs into each pther. Seriously, wouls be hilarious, but fine.

Hate spike deals an additional 2% of the targets missing health. Better?

DomainSpecific6 votes

ITT: People didn't understand the idea and just make abilities OP. Not everyone, but most.

A true example: Singed can now E himself to jump over walls.

Nucleophilic atk3 votes

If we are talking about making our champs into Lee, then yes ,the idea is to make abilities OP.

76Summers5 votes

j4 flag gives 15 attack dmg on top of the armor and as bonus

The Bardic Gay5 votes

Nami's E now cleanses slows when applied to allies.

When Nami's Q lands on an ally, they gain the current level of Nami's E on their next autoattack

Nami's R now causes any brush it connects with to become revealed for 5 seconds.

Meep Man5 votes

Ashe Q now also slows attack speed and gives Ashe bonus attack speed If W hits an enemy champion, Ashe can recast the ability to shoot another Volley E now reveals and slows enemy champions hit R now travels 250% quicker when within 2000 range of an enemy champion

Shyvana Q now resets upon killing an enemy unit W now also gives bonus attack speed If you hit E, you can reactivate this spell to gain 20 Fury and gain 10% movement speed when moving towards enemy champions hit R is now a toggle with a 13/11.5/10 second cool down, still launches

Velkoz Hitting an enemy unit with the original Q projectile stuns the enemy hit and causes the 2 made projectiles to orbit the unit if the unit hit was a champion Killing an enemy unit grants a charge for your W, champion kills grant 2 charges and causes your next W to have double range and damage Your E's AoE radius is doubled if you have recently taken damage, tripled if the damage was from an enemy champion Your R is now a global and has it's current duration reset and tripled if you score a kill or assist during the ultimate

SouL1ess4 votes

Ezreal's ult increases its damage by 10% for each champion hit and loses 10% damage for each minion hit.

It also no longer damages (and receive a damage penalty by hitting) monsters.

Auz the Ripper2 votes

Idk about that last change He wouldn't be able to fail to steal baron anymore

Grimmrock3 votes

while burrowed rek sai gainst 10/15/20/25/30 armor and magic resist, immediately after unburrowing rek sai gains a movements speed boost = 10% total movespeed. If rek sai hits a target with burrowed Q the enemy is slowed and revealed (including stealthed champions). If rek sai kills an enemy with her E the cooldown is refreshed.

cFlame3 votes

Garen's ultimate now grants him 100 movement speed when he is moving toward that target. Varus' Q crits. Whenever KogMaw's health goes below 0 he procs his passive. (Procced when GA is not on cooldown, procced under the effect of Zileans ultimate) When Tryndamere kills something during his ultimate the duration is increased by 1 second. When Hecarim presses Q he frees himself of slows. If an enemy dies to Nidalee's spear, the spear keeps on moving. When Singed poisons someone he can detonate it to heal mana based on how low on health they are. That's it.

GaleWinUnleashed3 votes

Morgana Casting Black Shield on a target also grants Morgana 20% Lifesteal for the duration.

Error Screen3 votes

Urgot When Urgot activates his Terror Capacitor, a small portion of incoming damage would hit his Mana instead of his health. If an attacking enemy has been hit by a Noxian Corrosive Charge, damage from the target would regenerate Urgot's Mana.

Yoella3 votes

Veigar Upon using Event Horizon Veigar gains temporary AP per enemy stunned.

SorryBoysImLes3 votes

Karma no longer needs to upgrade her attacks with her R, instead the secondary effects are now activated upon secondary use of the skills (Using Q again while in flight will give the lasting AOE blast, using W again will root the enemy but end the damage, using E again while shield is still active will cause it to burst and go AOE.) Give her an actual powerful ultimate, something that makes her more mobile with her shield.

Female Lee Sin.

JevelFaithful2 votes

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Karma no longer needs to upgrade her attacks with her R, instead the secondary effects are now activated upon secondary use of the skills (Using Q again while in flight will give the lasting AOE blast, using W again will root the enemy but end the damage, using E again while shield is still active will cause it to burst and go AOE.) Give her an actual powerful ultimate, something that makes her more mobile with her shield.

Female Lee Sin.

That... Actually looks fun to use. (assuming numbers are balanced)

PepSakdoek7 votes

Because lee is balanced...

Auz the Ripper3 votes

You forgot to make her manaless

Yasu0 is dog3 votes

Anivia Orianna Sona No longer use resources.

Ulric Greatsword3 votes

Gangplank Can now Parrrley himself, gaining his own kill gold + the bonus from Parrrley. Draven's dance now causes him to juggles his axes, gaining Draven stacks for each time he catches them while doing so. Fiora Can now lunge towards friendly units and wards. Lunging to a trinket ward refreshes the trinket's cooldown. Nocturne Can now tag himself with his Q, increasing his movespeed and attack damage regardless of where he is. Sion His E now pushes and damages enemy wards. Vision wards do double damage when flung. Shen Can now teleport to and shield himself. Zilean Can now attach time bombs to wards. The ward remains invisible. Viktor Can now target himself with his Q, dealing no damage but gaining the shield and empowered auto attack. Jax Can now attack himself while using his parry to increase its damage. MasterYi Q to himself or wards as a starting point. Nasus Can Q himself to deal no damage but gain 3 stacks. Karthus R now also targets all enemy minions and wards and all jungle camps, including Dragon and Baron. Vladimir Can now Q himself, dealing no damage, but healing for twice the normal amount. Singed Can now fling himself.

Vicvictorw2 votes

Urgot Zaun-Touched Bolt Augmenter- Damage reduction now stacks on repeated hits. Acid Hunter- Always missile locks. No need to land the grenade. Terror Capacitor- Explodes for scaling AD damage at the end of its duration. Noxian Corrosive Charge- Marked enemies can now be autoattacked at Acid Hunter range. Hyper-Kinetic Position Reverser- Urgot no longer needs to stand still as this skill channels. He is allowed to flash for #LCSBigPlays.

PrinceOfStorms11 votes

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Urgot Zaun-Touched Bolt Augmenter- Damage reduction now stacks on repeated hits. Acid Hunter- Always missile locks. No need to land the grenade. Terror Capacitor- Explodes for scaling AD damage at the end of its duration. Noxian Corrosive Charge- Marked enemies can now be autoattacked at Acid Hunter range. Hyper-Kinetic Position Reverser- Urgot no longer needs to stand still as this skill channels. He is allowed to flash for #LCSBigPlays.

The channel time should be increased and he should be able to recall during this time.

The Urgot ult -> Recall -> fountain kills would be beautiful.

7ha7guy7774 votes

i didn't know i needed this until now. now Urgot can get ult kills outside of ARAM

Stephenizgod2 votes

If Mordekaiser lands his Q on a target that is alone it marks them, he can recast his Q to deal the damage again and regain health equal to a portion of the damage done.

XinZhao can leap to any champion hit by his ult.

Garen W slows all enemy champions around him and gives him lifesteal for X amount of seconds.

Darius now uses energy....

Jax can jump to himself, it doesnt do anything but somehow he now has lifesteal, spellvamp, a shield, his W is an execute, and his passive has 20 stacks.

Junkο2 votes

If Veigar Q kills an unit, it will find the next lowest health unit nearby, if that one dies too, repeat the process

Raise Dongrs1 votes

But can't Janna place a shield on herself? Can't a support use Face of the Mountain on themselves, and Nidalee and Taric can heal themselves?? I don't see how it's odd. Safeguard enhances Lee's mobility and gives a shield on self-cast for sustain in the jungle. I see nothing wrong with it

Kobold3 votes

Let me try to explain this.

What does lee sin have on his kit?

Knockup/back, Attack speed steroid, skill shot reveal, Lifesteal, Spellvamp, Shield, Dash x2, execute %hp damage, AoE slow, AoE reveal, 3rd Highest AD scaling ability in the game, 3rd highest Base physical damage ult in the game, HIGHEST potential physical damage Ult in the game, Energy based, Best energy regen mechanic in the game.

Then take Fiora who has the highest base physical damage ult in the game.

AD steroid, Dash x2, MS boost, untargetablility, reposte, Attack Speed steroid, minior heal passive, Highest base damage ult, 3rd highest potental damage ult.

Lee has 16 things going for him if we include the ult, 13 if we don't.

Fiora has 10 if we include the ult, 8 if we don't.

Lee has many things that re tacked on and unnecessary (this is due to every ability (even second casts) need to feel impactful).

Does Lee need a shield AND Lifesteal/Spellvamp, no but why not. Does he need the %HP execute damage and very high base damages, no but why not.

l AM SCRIPTING2 votes

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But can't Janna place a shield on herself? Can't a support use Face of the Mountain on themselves, and Nidalee and Taric can heal themselves?? I don't see how it's odd. Safeguard enhances Lee's mobility and gives a shield on self-cast for sustain in the jungle. I see nothing wrong with it

Yeah, news flash: Lee SIn isn't a support.

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