Why is Xerath still bound by his coffin?

James Stone··16 votes·4,565 views

Something just came to my mind as I was reading a thread discussing Renekton's madness.

Xerath has ascended, right (Sorry if I'm wrong, I was a old lore lover and I can only muster half a fuck to give about this new one), honest-to-goodness, somehow-not-animalesque ascended? Then what are those bits of metal floating around him now?

In the old lore, they were his sarcophagus, as the old mages of Shurima had bound him to, afraid of his power. It was what kept him in check, power-wise, and stopped him from absolutely destroying half the League's champions single-handely at the same time.

But I don't think his imprisonment in the new lore involved Nasus and Renek sealing him into a sarcophagus, just sealing him, right? Otherwise, Renek wouldn't have to go all cliché "GO MY BROTHER, I SHALL SACRIFICE MYSELF TO CONTAIN THIS BEAST" and go mad over it. So, what exactly is that armor and why does it carry it around instead of proncing about as the being of pure, arcane energy he is? What, do the Ascended get offered a free armor from the sun too? And what exactly is the excuse for Xerath being equal power-wise to the rest of the League? He's an Ascended so powerful it took two Ascended to contain, not even destroy, CONTAIN!

And while we're on power levels, I was always under the impression Old-lore! Nasus and Renekton were equally as powerful as the rest of the League (Berserk-style freakout in Renek's Judgement nonwithstanding) because they came from a dimension where magic, runes and weapon/armor enchantments were very rare or non-existant, and as such creatures as Nasus and Renek passed as gods, while in Runeterra's dimension they were considered top-tier, sure, but at the same level of other champs and uber-powerful magicians, much more common.

But in these new lore, they are literal Physical Gods. How do they manage to lose to normal humans such as Graves, Miss Fortune, Ashe, Olaf, Sejuani, etc? Again, in the old lore, their dimension probably lacked guns and magical/runic enchantments (Ashe's bow, Sejuani's mace, most armors and weapons champions use), so it was normal to think they were gods, but now they're from this dimension! Excluding guns, everything champions use (Magical weapons/armor and boring old magic) was present during the time they were worshiped as Ascended! Why aren't they moping the floor with the other champs 1vs9?

Freaking hell, I miss the old lore.

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Legacy of Xion25 votes

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When Narrative removed the League of Legends from League of Legends, I lost all confidence in Chancellor Valorum's Leadership.

Earl Eulrich15 votes

Freaking hell, I miss the old lore.

not much more to say there.

GreenLore8 votes

They released a piece of lore via facebook(don't ask me why they never showed it anywhere else),where we were told what happened during the sun disc ritual.

Nasus and Renekton saw what happened and tried to imprison Xerath in this sarcophagus,before he could reach his full power. But xerath managed to shatter the Sarcophagus almost instantly,which is why renekton decided to sacrifice himself.

While the sarcophagus is shattered it still isn't completely broken,thus limiting Xeraths power.

And it was said that Xeraths ascended form is a result of Xerath actually altering the sun disc ritual,thus becoming something even greater than an ascended.

On the matter of power levels: Just because Nasus and renekton went from humans to ascended,doesn't mean they are on a whole different level of power than the others.Being ascended is more or less the shurima version of being iceborn,while it gives the user new powers and immortality(in the form that you do not need to eat,sleep,drink and that you never age),it doesn't make them unbeatable.

Ariel the Cruel6 votes

Old lore: He escaped the tomb, but was still bound by the coffin. New lore: He needed pants, and that's as close as he could get.

In terms of oddity, don't forget to look at syndra. She lifted an entire castle (and associated city) into the sky without breaking a sweat. Yet in game, she is still afraid for little swords and blind monks.

Legacy of Xion11 votes

Old Lore: Champion power is mitigated by Summoners in League matches. This probably is through the use of the Nexus especially and Inhibitors.

New Lore: Fuck you, thats why.

Baval4 votes

Youre partially right, i just wanted to point out that the Nexus is your teams source of power, hence why the wizards on it channel energy into it to summon minions. The inhibitors stop some of the energy to your enemies nexus, hence why the wizards on them are guarding a crystal of the enemies color and why destroying them lets the Nexus summon more powerful minions. They have nothing to do with the champions power levels.

New map, the teams are guarding inhibitors inhibiting their own crystals...for some reason....

Legacy of Xion1 votes

Riight...I was thinking they helped. Oh well.

And despite me trying to not curse on Sundays...

Old Lore Reason For Anything: Fuck you, thats why.

Diana x Me7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAGnXEvL,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-14T05:04:22.753+0000) Old lore: He escaped the tomb, but was still bound by the coffin. New lore: He needed pants, and that's as close as he could get.

In terms of oddity, don't forget to look at syndra. She lifted an entire castle (and associated city) into the sky without breaking a sweat. Yet in game, she is still afraid for little swords and blind monks.

I am iffy on syndra. Something I think people don't really pay attention to is her personality. She is obsessed with herself and she is a megalomaniac that is a little delusional. No doubt she is very very powerful and her feat is impressive. But, she does not hold a candle to Xerath or Azir. Xerath is the closest thing to a god on runeterra, he can't die or be destroyed and his power is infinite, Azir materialized an entire country out of thin air, with an army to boot. Azir could literally just take over Valoran by himself by materializing like 1 trillion sand soldiers.

Also this makes me question the true strength of other champs. Like let's say Leona used her magic offensively instead of just blinding people couldn't she just basically vaporize anything with the power of the sun. Then their is Veiger who controls cosmic energy. Clearly their are champs whom are vastly more powerful than others.

DWT123456 votes

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Ironclad Dragon4 votes

{quoted} uhm... Logic? Honestly, i loved old xerath's lore. How he was imprisoned, and wanted to ascend once again was freaking badass. If he ascended like nasus and ren and azir did, why isint he an animal than? Honestly, we should all ignore the retcon and keep on acting like the old lore is canon, just to piss off the lore team

That's rude.

Ironclad Dragon5 votes

The lore is merely a vehicle for the multiplayer.

Unfortunately.

Sethilander1 votes

Except it's not. Since it was made clear that the game and the lore really have no relation to each other any more in any way shape or form. Just two different media using the same characters. In other words, it's technically 'League of Cameos'.

Baval5 votes

His new lore is actually pretty good. And its still his sarcophagus, just he was put there by Nasus and Renekton instead of a magus.

Alternatively, and I think more interestingly, it could be that ascension makes your innermost desires your outer form. Nasus wants to protect people, so hes a dog. Renekton wants to hunt evil, so hes a crocodile. Azir is vain and wants to be seen as great leader so hes a bird. Xerath wanted to be free of bonds, so hes an aetherial being breaking out of a coffin.

turkeyBACON5 votes

Technically not true. Azir had his golden eagle/bird helm on before his ascension; which suggests that they can choose their ascended form. Xerath in the new lore didn't have a helm and thus doesn't have a animal form and is just pure magic/energy.

Baval3 votes

Im not so sure he did, this is the only picture i could find of an Ascension.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140917024100/leagueoflegends/images/f/f2/Azir_Ascension_1.png

Similarly, the only pictures of human Azir, and his armor is obviously made to fit his bird body, which he couldnt have worn in his human form. I think he got the armor after or as part of the Ascension.

http://i.imgur.com/6bwgqvs.png

turkeyBACON4 votes

Oh sorry. I was talking about the first ceremony that Xerath interrupted.

Though his master’s helm revealed no human expression, and knowing that the lovingly etched metal could not respond in kind, Xerath smiled up at the soulless hawk’s face just the same, his joy genuine...

The Emperor of Shurima, the Golden Sun, Beloved of Mother Desert, soon to be Ascended, took off his helmet, revealed his proud brow and smiling eyes, and turned to his oldest and most trusted friend...

...Azir donned his helmet and strode out onto the Dais, his attendants preparing him for the godhood that would never come.

Baval1 votes

hm, interesting. Then Riots not as clever as id hoped. Ah well.

Diana x Me4 votes

{quoted} hm, interesting. Then Riots not as clever as id hoped. Ah well.

They have always been pretty incompetent as far as lore/narrative is concerned. Not sure if they really don't care and just half ass everything or they really are just unqualified for this kind of work.

Baval5 votes

They havent always been, the old lore team was awesome. So many hidden things and half finished mysteries. See the LeBlanc is Jarvan conspiracy for example.

Earl Eulrich6 votes

not to mention that the old judgements really have depth to them, they had been incredible well written back then.

GreenLore1 votes

actually many of those mysteries were most likely more along the lines "what should be his backstory?" "I dunno just make it a mystery"

Also while some characters got quite some depht to them,some didn't get anything(just look at sion who was just an Schwarzenegger reference)

Baval3 votes

{quoted}

actually many of those mysteries were most likely more along the lines "what should be his backstory?" "I dunno just make it a mystery"

Also while some characters got quite some depht to them,some didn't get anything(just look at sion who was just an Schwarzenegger reference)

In game Sion was a reference. His lore is basically unchanged. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sion/Background

Jarvans lore was completely fleshed out. The theory that he might be LeBlanc came from a picture and the fact that Swain prevented him from getting a judgement. They could easily have left it at his actual written backstory.

GreenLore1 votes

Sions Lore didn't tell us much about his character except that he ran into the enemy lines without regard for safety,other than that,there was no personality. New sion did the same,but we also get to see how becoming undead changed him,he is now trapped inside his own body,only living for battle.....but sometimes he remembers his old self and is terrified of what he has become,asking himself what has happened and if he serves the right man.

Baval3 votes

If it wasnt for the context of Sions old lore and expanded lore from his dedicated website, you would have no idea what Sions new lore even meant. Youd just know that Sion doesnt remember things, likes to kill things, and should beware ravens.

The old writers didnt have the luxury of writing a 3 page book on Sion, but they got across the same story in 2 paragraphs, AND half of the first paragraph is dedicated to telling the story of Noxus and Demacia, something new players wouldn't have known then.

GreenLore2 votes

The old lore had enough chances to flesh out sion(seriously the JoJ tended to ignore characters like him) and having more lore pieces isn't something I'd consider a drawback.

New Sions lore(s) gives more depht to his character,gives us new insights into what kind of man boram darkwill was,how noxian heroes are treated,which lines boram wasn't willing to cross and which one does swain cross,insight into the black rose,how J1 died and why noxus doesn't have an army of undead at their command,despite successfully resurrecting sion.

You are right in that most of this could have been added to the old sion,but that doesn't change the fact that old sion had none of this and never went beyond being a joke. Riot faces currently the same problem with several other characters,like Taric(should he be serious?badass?comical?over the top?outrageous?),Veigar(should he be really evil or just a wannabe?How far is he ready to really go?) and some others.

Diana x Me3 votes

{quoted} They havent always been, the old lore team was awesome. So many hidden things and half finished mysteries. See the LeBlanc is Jarvan conspiracy for example.

Meh, my bad. I forgot to state this. Which I do agree upon. I liked most of the old lore, it had flair and appeal. Now it's just barely above subpar. It will never feel right because players no longer feel connected to the characters and it's like there actions no longer hold any meaning. If this is the path they are going to take then they are better off writing a book.

LordHippoman3 votes

Renekton and Nasus were pretty much gods in the old canon too (Soraka literally was, albeit a somewhat downgraded one), but the Fields of Justice regulated powers of champs, which is why they had to level up and why Brand can be hurt by fire or whatever.

((Honestly the reason for the Xerath coffin is probably because it wouldn't be time or cost effective to make a whole new model for him because of the new backstory.))

Stars Shaper2 votes

And probably because an unbound Xerath would be too powerful, he is still omnipotent since the new lore didn't say he wasn't)

Diahane2 votes

{quoted}

Renekton and Nasus were pretty much gods in the old canon too (Soraka literally was, albeit a somewhat downgraded one), but the Fields of Justice regulated powers of champs, which is why they had to level up and why Brand can be hurt by fire or whatever.

((Honestly the reason for the Xerath coffin is probably because it wouldn't be time or cost effective to make a whole new model for him because of the new backstory.))

Yeah, the reason for the coffin to still be there is that they didn't want to do a full rework (as they did for Sion), given that a gameplay rework had just been done. So, since they had to pull out some Shuriman stories, they simply took Xerath and turned him into a shoehorn for Azir's backstory lore-wise, with no real regard for his in-game behaviour which is incoherent with his new lore.

Rainbowgasm2 votes

maybe it keeps him from becoming "grounded" and dispersing into nothingness like a small drop of honey in hot water.

The Soulforged1 votes

{quoted}

maybe it keeps him from becoming "grounded" and dispersing into nothingness like a small drop of honey in hot water.

So basically he's omnipresent xD

Leti the Yeti2 votes

@xerath lore being him as a super god n shit

jax has a 100% win rate in his lore annnd so wat of it

Gunpoint1 votes

Does it REALLY matter that much? If you want a reason, just make it up on your own. The chamber that Xerath was contained in sapped some of his power. There, happy?

Dreamspitter3 votes

{quoted} Does it REALLY matter that much? If you want a reason, just make it up on your own. The chamber that Xerath was contained in sapped some of his power. There, happy?

Reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFQCYpIHLNQ

Stars Shaper1 votes

In the fight that took place to subdue Xerath, Nasus and Renekton tried first to lock him in a sarcophagus but Xerath shattered it.

We still don't have the "long version" of that fight though.

Killstrado1 votes

Stockholmes syndrome lol he spent so much time on it now it's his security blanket and makes him feel safer in a world where the most powerful people, monsters, and robots hangout

Centuros1 votes

Well, since the game is no longer strictly connected to lore, any power-level discrepancies are just game balance now. They can go be god mode in stories if Riot wants, but not in-game (unless fed).

TwinTonys1 votes

I feel like it's important to point out the fact that the visual adaptations of each champions power are to illustrate what their abilities are. When you watch the cinematics you see that things such as ahris charm Nautilus ult and pull as well as size are each larger scale than what you see in game. This is because each champion's power is actually multiple times greater than what you're seeing in game. Also important to note that not everybody on Runeterra is necessarily magical. We see lesser beings and even hear the description of regular humans as being normal such as with Quinn and valor. As for the description as gods we also have to point out the fact that Shurima was an ancient civilization that appears to have been many lesser humans led by Azir who could appear as a god but used similar methods that champions such as Ryze had taken to further increase their power output.

warpenguin5551 votes

i think hes kinda fused with it

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